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> While nazism and its crimes were condemned after World War II [...] this has not happened with communism. This resonates quite deeply. In my country nazis go

> While nazism and its crimes were condemned after World War II [...] this has not happened with communism. This resonates quite deeply. In my country nazis go straight to jail but communists walk our soil completely unpunished. They have half a dozen political parties, are well coordinated, are popular and are constantly elected by the population when they promise them heaven on earth. This is especially ironic since nazism is short for national socialism. Communism is alive and well in Latin America. Brazilian president Lula declared to CNN his intention to install communism in my country not even a week ago. It has been his intention for over 40 years. He and his party has been in power for over 20 years. Yet people act as though it was fake news.

simlevesque 1y ago
It's not fake news it's good news.
cosmicgadget 1y ago
A specific, racist form of fascism can't really be compared to an economic ideology.
- matheusmoreira 1y ago
  It absolutely can. Nazis, like socialists, centralized control of the economy in the state. It's just that they did it in order to further the goals of the so called Aryan nation as a whole. That's why it's called national socialism.
  - cosmicgadget 1y ago
    "Naziism had economic principles therefore it is a peer of any general economic system." Nah. Capitalism and communism don't have all those racist tenets. Nor the expansionism.
    - matheusmoreira 1y ago
      Principles have nothing to do with it. The key feature is totalitarian government control over the economy and the means of production. Nazi Germany certainly had it.
      - cosmicgadget 1y ago
        Does communism require totalitarianism?
        nec4b 1y ago
        Of course, how else can you achieve classless society. Do you expect people to freely give everything they have to the state, so it can redistribute their wealth around? Don't you know the concept of a class enemy and why so much of mass murdering was going on in communist countries?
        cosmicgadget 1y ago
        Catholic clergy do this.
        nec4b 1y ago
        Not true, Catholic priests still have private property. But sure there are other religions that have this. It's voluntary and the percentage of people doing this is tiny.
        cosmicgadget 1y ago
        So people have done this?
        schoen 1y ago
        Generally monastics rather than all clergy.
  - justsomejew 1y ago
    Nazis had racial laws. As you did, by the way, just not towards jews, remember? Something which the communists have not done. And I think it ruins your theory, as well as the communusm equals nazism equation, so beloved by your propaganda
    - throwaway3060 1y ago
      That's because the communists found a workaround; they were the first to invent the idea that they could just officially target discrimination against "Zionists" and "cosmopolitans" and just lob that accusation against any Jew, effectively legalizing state antisemitism under a different name.
      - cosmicgadget 1y ago
        It amuses me that the libertarians are bearing this torch now.
      - justsomejew 1y ago
        Easy to claim, only that the claim is false. It was not so much about jews being jews (would you claim that there were no jews in science, engineering, hospitals?). Having quotas in top universities is what you try to do now with asian students (by this I do not mean to negate the fact that lives of many jews were ruined because of these quotas). And the true nature of "Zionism" can be seen by everyone today. The "zionists" do not even try to hide it. I mean Zionism in the "Zeev" Zhabotinskiy sense. Go read his "Wall of Iron".
        throwaway3060 1y ago
        Funny you mention Jabotinsky. Jabotinsky's beliefs were formed from the proof playing out in front of him, that not even the Ukrainians, the second largest ethnicity in the Russian empire, could get even a semblance of fairness out of the Russian empire. If the Ukrainians failed, what chance did the even fewer Jews have? Trying to understand Jabotinsky without understanding the world he was born into is like trying to put modern beliefs onto Alexander the Great. If you were a Jewish person of ordinary means, certain engineering paths were completely barred to you in the USSR. Keep in mind, engineering and math were the most prestigious forms of STEM for the Soviets. So are you trying to claim the Doctor's Plot case, the assasination of Solomon Mikhoels, the rootless cosmopolitan campaign, Soviet "Zionology", that all those just didn't happen? People were around for those you know.

simlevesque 1y ago

It's not fake news it's good news.

cosmicgadget 1y ago

A specific, racist form of fascism can't really be compared to an economic ideology.

matheusmoreira 1y ago
It absolutely can. Nazis, like socialists, centralized control of the economy in the state. It's just that they did it in order to further the goals of the so called Aryan nation as a whole. That's why it's called national socialism.
- cosmicgadget 1y ago
  "Naziism had economic principles therefore it is a peer of any general economic system." Nah. Capitalism and communism don't have all those racist tenets. Nor the expansionism.
  - matheusmoreira 1y ago
    Principles have nothing to do with it. The key feature is totalitarian government control over the economy and the means of production. Nazi Germany certainly had it.
    - cosmicgadget 1y ago
      Does communism require totalitarianism?
      - nec4b 1y ago
        Of course, how else can you achieve classless society. Do you expect people to freely give everything they have to the state, so it can redistribute their wealth around? Don't you know the concept of a class enemy and why so much of mass murdering was going on in communist countries?
        cosmicgadget 1y ago
        Catholic clergy do this.
        nec4b 1y ago
        Not true, Catholic priests still have private property. But sure there are other religions that have this. It's voluntary and the percentage of people doing this is tiny.
        cosmicgadget 1y ago
        So people have done this?
        schoen 1y ago
        Generally monastics rather than all clergy.
- justsomejew 1y ago
  Nazis had racial laws. As you did, by the way, just not towards jews, remember? Something which the communists have not done. And I think it ruins your theory, as well as the communusm equals nazism equation, so beloved by your propaganda
  - throwaway3060 1y ago
    That's because the communists found a workaround; they were the first to invent the idea that they could just officially target discrimination against "Zionists" and "cosmopolitans" and just lob that accusation against any Jew, effectively legalizing state antisemitism under a different name.
    - cosmicgadget 1y ago
      It amuses me that the libertarians are bearing this torch now.
    - justsomejew 1y ago
      Easy to claim, only that the claim is false. It was not so much about jews being jews (would you claim that there were no jews in science, engineering, hospitals?). Having quotas in top universities is what you try to do now with asian students (by this I do not mean to negate the fact that lives of many jews were ruined because of these quotas). And the true nature of "Zionism" can be seen by everyone today. The "zionists" do not even try to hide it. I mean Zionism in the "Zeev" Zhabotinskiy sense. Go read his "Wall of Iron".
      - throwaway3060 1y ago
        Funny you mention Jabotinsky. Jabotinsky's beliefs were formed from the proof playing out in front of him, that not even the Ukrainians, the second largest ethnicity in the Russian empire, could get even a semblance of fairness out of the Russian empire. If the Ukrainians failed, what chance did the even fewer Jews have? Trying to understand Jabotinsky without understanding the world he was born into is like trying to put modern beliefs onto Alexander the Great. If you were a Jewish person of ordinary means, certain engineering paths were completely barred to you in the USSR. Keep in mind, engineering and math were the most prestigious forms of STEM for the Soviets. So are you trying to claim the Doctor's Plot case, the assasination of Solomon Mikhoels, the rootless cosmopolitan campaign, Soviet "Zionology", that all those just didn't happen? People were around for those you know.