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Why is it so hard for americans to accept that china makes great tech without coping about "le CCP spyware!" - it seems so absurd, like why would the CCP want t

Why is it so hard for americans to accept that china makes great tech without coping about "le CCP spyware!" - it seems so absurd, like why would the CCP want to know the heart rate of the type of guy who buys a 16 pound smartwatch? Why dont americans create 16 pound smartwatches?

sincerely 1y ago
>Why dont americans create 16 pound smartwatches? Because labor is much more expensive in America. This is not a mystery
- monooso 1y ago
  But American companies make their smartwatches in China.
- recursive 1y ago
  I don't think that's enough to explain it. What's the ratio of labor costs?
  - Palomides 1y ago
    $15/hour in the US vs $2/hour in China
    - recursive 1y ago
      That would put an upper bound of 120 pounds for the USA manufactured watch with zero materials cost and all labor.
- rikafurude21 1y ago
  Yeah, highly inflated e-mail job economy does that to you.
- ericwood 1y ago
  Labor is a factor but it helps to have the insane manufacturing synergies they have where almost all of the parts are made down the road from you.
- Yeul 1y ago
  Don't worry god emperor Trump will fix that. No more safety and environmental regulations. Children can work full time. Union bosses get sent to the gulag. Forced labor camps for the homeless and criminals.
AndyMcConachie 1y ago
Because sinophobia, or put in a more crass way, racism, imperialism, and patriotism. Why should I care if the Communinst Party of China is spying on me? They can't get at me. I have no connection to China. I have no property there and don't know anyone there. What are they going to do to me? Bottom line is that everyone on the planet should be concerned with their own government's intelligence angencies more than any others. It's the people who can get at you in meatspace that you need to worry about.
- secondcoming 1y ago
  They might not care that much about YOU unless you try to enter China at some point in your life. But they REALLY care about the activites of Chinese people living abroad. The CCP was operating secret 'police stations' in the UK and most likely elsewhere outside of their jurisdiction. [0] https://news.stv.tv/west-central/chinese-secret-police-stations-including-glasgow-seafood-restaurant-shut-down https://news.stv.tv/west-central/chinese-secret-police-stati...
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
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    - arcanemachiner 1y ago
      Yes. Both are bad.
  - stefantalpalaru 1y ago
    [dead]
jgalt212 1y ago
China hopes that if they sell enough some will end up on the wrists of military or intelligence personnel, or more likely the family members of such people.
- rikafurude21 1y ago
  You think american military or intelligence personnel is gonna go on aliexpress to buy a 16 dollar smartwatch?
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - jgalt212 1y ago
      [flagged]
      - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        Care to be more specific with the examples from history you mean, with you being so smart and all? @dang, since when it's allowed on HN to insult users without getting flagged?
        arcanemachiner 1y ago
        Tagging doesn't do anything on HN.
        tomhow 1y ago
        The comment is flagged and killed and I'm now posting them a warning, but you should email us, not tag. You should also avoid swipes like "The mental gymnastics i read on HN is mind boggling stupid", which was obviously an attack on the parent commenter and the broader community, if you want to demonstrate that you care about the guidelines.
      - 1y ago
phantomathkg 1y ago
Because APT will use any devices to infiltrate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSaix1C-UMI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSaix1C-UMI

sincerely 1y ago

>Why dont americans create 16 pound smartwatches? Because labor is much more expensive in America. This is not a mystery

monooso 1y ago
But American companies make their smartwatches in China.
recursive 1y ago
I don't think that's enough to explain it. What's the ratio of labor costs?
- Palomides 1y ago
  $15/hour in the US vs $2/hour in China
  - recursive 1y ago
    That would put an upper bound of 120 pounds for the USA manufactured watch with zero materials cost and all labor.
rikafurude21 1y ago
Yeah, highly inflated e-mail job economy does that to you.
ericwood 1y ago
Labor is a factor but it helps to have the insane manufacturing synergies they have where almost all of the parts are made down the road from you.
Yeul 1y ago
Don't worry god emperor Trump will fix that. No more safety and environmental regulations. Children can work full time. Union bosses get sent to the gulag. Forced labor camps for the homeless and criminals.

AndyMcConachie 1y ago

Because sinophobia, or put in a more crass way, racism, imperialism, and patriotism. Why should I care if the Communinst Party of China is spying on me? They can't get at me. I have no connection to China. I have no property there and don't know anyone there. What are they going to do to me? Bottom line is that everyone on the planet should be concerned with their own government's intelligence angencies more than any others. It's the people who can get at you in meatspace that you need to worry about.

secondcoming 1y ago
They might not care that much about YOU unless you try to enter China at some point in your life. But they REALLY care about the activites of Chinese people living abroad. The CCP was operating secret 'police stations' in the UK and most likely elsewhere outside of their jurisdiction. [0] https://news.stv.tv/west-central/chinese-secret-police-stations-including-glasgow-seafood-restaurant-shut-down https://news.stv.tv/west-central/chinese-secret-police-stati...
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - arcanemachiner 1y ago
    Yes. Both are bad.
- stefantalpalaru 1y ago
  [dead]

jgalt212 1y ago

China hopes that if they sell enough some will end up on the wrists of military or intelligence personnel, or more likely the family members of such people.

rikafurude21 1y ago
You think american military or intelligence personnel is gonna go on aliexpress to buy a 16 dollar smartwatch?
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - jgalt212 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
      Care to be more specific with the examples from history you mean, with you being so smart and all? @dang, since when it's allowed on HN to insult users without getting flagged?
      - arcanemachiner 1y ago
        Tagging doesn't do anything on HN.
      - tomhow 1y ago
        The comment is flagged and killed and I'm now posting them a warning, but you should email us, not tag. You should also avoid swipes like "The mental gymnastics i read on HN is mind boggling stupid", which was obviously an attack on the parent commenter and the broader community, if you want to demonstrate that you care about the guidelines.
    - 1y ago

phantomathkg 1y ago

Because APT will use any devices to infiltrate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSaix1C-UMI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSaix1C-UMI