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Besides TCO, there's a reputational discount: many buyers don't want to be "the person with the Nazi-salute guy's car," so resale values drop.

pixxel 1y ago
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scarab92 1y ago
I think that perspective mostly exists amongst the chronically online. I don’t see it much in the real world. All EVs depreciate quickly, Tesla isn’t unique in this regard. The reason is simply that the market is currently higher income earning early adopters. That customer base is willing to pay the premium for the newest model, and upgrades quickly when newer models come out. This results in a large of supply of 3 year old vehicles, but not much demand. In time we’ll see used EVs depreciate at rates more similar to ICE vehicles, as mainstream buyers, who view EVs as a car rather than a tech product, enter the market.
- anon22981 1y ago
  Tesla definitely has suffered a huge blow to it’s reputation (or several of them) which is evident in the EU new car sales. Maybe your take is true if you are non-EU, but it definitely isn’t true in the slightest in Europe and is pure copium.
- ModernMech 1y ago
  > I don’t see it much in the real world. Maybe you missed it, but there was a whole period in the Spring when people were in the real world protesting in front of actual Tesla dealerships. These were people like my parents, who don't even have social media, yet they were dragging themselves and their protest signs to the local Tesla dealerships every weekend. People got so mad they were setting Teslas on fire! When people are so pissed they're firebombing dealerships, you can't pretend it's just online murmurings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Takedown https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Takedown
- kelseyfrog 1y ago
  > The reason is simply that the market is currently higher income earning early adopters. I'm not sure this has a basis in reality. There is no supporting evidence for it. On the contrary, there is evidence that both Musk's favorability rating[1] and Tesla's brand reputation[2][3] have nosedived over the last few years and especially after Jan 2025. If you want to claim an income-value-market cause, you'll have to provide more compelling evidence. 1. https://www.natesilver.net/p/elon-musk-polls-popularity-nate-silver-bulletin https://www.natesilver.net/p/elon-musk-polls-popularity-nate... 2. https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-favorabilty-america-us-new-low-yougov-survey-data-2025-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-favorabilty-america-us... 3. https://www.axios.com/2025/05/21/tesla-s-tumbling-brand-reputation-future-of-mobility https://www.axios.com/2025/05/21/tesla-s-tumbling-brand-repu...
arresin 1y ago
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- czottmann 1y ago
  It isn't. I'm from Germany, and Musk doing the Nazi salute has widely made the rounds. Lots of people are appalled, so are people in other parts of the EU, and here are some actually numbers on that: https://electrek.co/2025/08/05/tesla-sales-in-europe-are-in-free-fall-and-the-pain-is-just-starting/ https://electrek.co/2025/08/05/tesla-sales-in-europe-are-in-... The new car demand has dropped like a brick, and I'm quite sure used car sales have, too.
  - arresin 1y ago
    Exhausting. Have you seen the original video? It’s an obvious lie.
    - tasuki 1y ago
      I have seen the original video. However charitably I tried to look at it, it looked very much like a nazi salute to me. I watched Herr Hitler doing his salute for comparison, it looked eerily similar to me. How did you interpret the original video?
    - czottmann 1y ago
      I've seen that video. I've also watched his complete disregard for other people (DOGE, anyone), seen his ideas of "free speech", witnessed Mechahitler, and Twitter being turned into the fascist club house. That fucking salute was one thing. He knows what he's doing or trying to do. Many people in Europe are appalled by what they see. So they stopped buying his shit. Fair game, this being goddamn free market capitalism and all.
    - kelseyfrog 1y ago
      I see no salient differences between the two. What differences do you see between them? How do the differences contribute to what you see as a meaningful difference between them?

pixxel 1y ago

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scarab92 1y ago

I think that perspective mostly exists amongst the chronically online. I don’t see it much in the real world. All EVs depreciate quickly, Tesla isn’t unique in this regard. The reason is simply that the market is currently higher income earning early adopters. That customer base is willing to pay the premium for the newest model, and upgrades quickly when newer models come out. This results in a large of supply of 3 year old vehicles, but not much demand. In time we’ll see used EVs depreciate at rates more similar to ICE vehicles, as mainstream buyers, who view EVs as a car rather than a tech product, enter the market.

anon22981 1y ago
Tesla definitely has suffered a huge blow to it’s reputation (or several of them) which is evident in the EU new car sales. Maybe your take is true if you are non-EU, but it definitely isn’t true in the slightest in Europe and is pure copium.
ModernMech 1y ago
> I don’t see it much in the real world. Maybe you missed it, but there was a whole period in the Spring when people were in the real world protesting in front of actual Tesla dealerships. These were people like my parents, who don't even have social media, yet they were dragging themselves and their protest signs to the local Tesla dealerships every weekend. People got so mad they were setting Teslas on fire! When people are so pissed they're firebombing dealerships, you can't pretend it's just online murmurings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Takedown https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Takedown
kelseyfrog 1y ago
> The reason is simply that the market is currently higher income earning early adopters. I'm not sure this has a basis in reality. There is no supporting evidence for it. On the contrary, there is evidence that both Musk's favorability rating[1] and Tesla's brand reputation[2][3] have nosedived over the last few years and especially after Jan 2025. If you want to claim an income-value-market cause, you'll have to provide more compelling evidence. 1. https://www.natesilver.net/p/elon-musk-polls-popularity-nate-silver-bulletin https://www.natesilver.net/p/elon-musk-polls-popularity-nate... 2. https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-favorabilty-america-us-new-low-yougov-survey-data-2025-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-favorabilty-america-us... 3. https://www.axios.com/2025/05/21/tesla-s-tumbling-brand-reputation-future-of-mobility https://www.axios.com/2025/05/21/tesla-s-tumbling-brand-repu...

arresin 1y ago

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czottmann 1y ago
It isn't. I'm from Germany, and Musk doing the Nazi salute has widely made the rounds. Lots of people are appalled, so are people in other parts of the EU, and here are some actually numbers on that: https://electrek.co/2025/08/05/tesla-sales-in-europe-are-in-free-fall-and-the-pain-is-just-starting/ https://electrek.co/2025/08/05/tesla-sales-in-europe-are-in-... The new car demand has dropped like a brick, and I'm quite sure used car sales have, too.
- arresin 1y ago
  Exhausting. Have you seen the original video? It’s an obvious lie.
  - tasuki 1y ago
    I have seen the original video. However charitably I tried to look at it, it looked very much like a nazi salute to me. I watched Herr Hitler doing his salute for comparison, it looked eerily similar to me. How did you interpret the original video?
  - czottmann 1y ago
    I've seen that video. I've also watched his complete disregard for other people (DOGE, anyone), seen his ideas of "free speech", witnessed Mechahitler, and Twitter being turned into the fascist club house. That fucking salute was one thing. He knows what he's doing or trying to do. Many people in Europe are appalled by what they see. So they stopped buying his shit. Fair game, this being goddamn free market capitalism and all.
  - kelseyfrog 1y ago
    I see no salient differences between the two. What differences do you see between them? How do the differences contribute to what you see as a meaningful difference between them?