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Who provides a warranty over 130k miles on the battery! Cost per mile for gas was from $2.15 (yay covid) up to $4.21, average gas price paid over the life of th

Who provides a warranty over 130k miles on the battery! Cost per mile for gas was from $2.15 (yay covid) up to $4.21, average gas price paid over the life of the car is at $3.20. 98% of my fillups was 93 octane gas My car is a premium (luxury) car

hvb2 1y ago
> Who provides a warranty over 130k miles on the battery! Tesla... On the S, X and cybertruck https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty And 120k on the Y long range.
- grepfru_it 1y ago
  That’s only Tesla. How about Ford? Toyota? GM? Kia? The industry average is drastically below that number..
  - hvb2 1y ago
    Besides that the thread us about Tesla, would you consider any of those premium cars? Kia and Toyota? Ford and GM I could see But also, this is part of how tesla is ahead still on other manufacturers. Knowing their product and being able to provide a better warranty speaks to their own confidence in it
    - grepfru_it 1y ago
      Huh? Kia/Hyundai provides a 10 year/100k mileage warranty. Double that of Tesla. I wonder if Tesla knows their premium cars will fall apart long before their batteries do? This was a great thought experiment though! Let’s do it again sometime?
      - jerlam 1y ago
        Although… the Kia/Hyundai warranties are non-transferable. So a used one doesn’t get the full 10 years, but only five years.
    - conradev 1y ago
      You can look at market positioning, or you can look at the experiments… A million mile Tundra with 117 dealership visits over 10 years: In maintaining his truck to the extraordinary million-mile mark, Sheppard has logged 117 dealership service visits over nine years, ranging from timing belt replacements, oil changes, and the manufacturer’s regularly scheduled check-ups. Tesla Model S with 1.2 million: However, this Model S is currently on its fourth battery pack. Four batteries at 1.2 million miles mean that the average pack lasted some 300,000 and counting, which is actually a strong showing in our opinion. It’d be interesting to try to get bounds on the costs. It seems like the Tesla special of mishandled repairs (i.e. not understanding motor failure) is an real and persistent factor. https://pressroom.toyota.com/million-mile-tundra-2016/ https://pressroom.toyota.com/million-mile-tundra-2016/ https://insideevs.com/news/699413/highest-mileage-tesla-model-s-3-batteries-14-motors/ https://insideevs.com/news/699413/highest-mileage-tesla-mode...
      - hvb2 1y ago
        I'm not certain this is valuable. While it's great to see how a car can last that long you need to be driving a LOT to ever get near that mark. That's professional driver levels. No consumer car should be built to achieve that. If they can, great, but you might be over engineering a lot to make that happen as a rule
ZeroGravitas 1y ago
Note that the battery warranties aren't just for total failure, most are for at least 70% of original capacity at say 8/10 years or 100k (and are generally increasing on newer models). BYD offer 125K miles on their blade battery for example. Coincidentally, studies have shown that MPG on ICE engines can drop as much as 40% after 10 years. You can also buy 3rd party battery warranties. As with any insurance product the price would be lower if everyone bought in. Would probably be a good subsidy for nations trying to encourage EV adoption.

hvb2 1y ago

> Who provides a warranty over 130k miles on the battery! Tesla... On the S, X and cybertruck https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty And 120k on the Y long range.

grepfru_it 1y ago
That’s only Tesla. How about Ford? Toyota? GM? Kia? The industry average is drastically below that number..
- hvb2 1y ago
  Besides that the thread us about Tesla, would you consider any of those premium cars? Kia and Toyota? Ford and GM I could see But also, this is part of how tesla is ahead still on other manufacturers. Knowing their product and being able to provide a better warranty speaks to their own confidence in it
  - grepfru_it 1y ago
    Huh? Kia/Hyundai provides a 10 year/100k mileage warranty. Double that of Tesla. I wonder if Tesla knows their premium cars will fall apart long before their batteries do? This was a great thought experiment though! Let’s do it again sometime?
    - jerlam 1y ago
      Although… the Kia/Hyundai warranties are non-transferable. So a used one doesn’t get the full 10 years, but only five years.
  - conradev 1y ago
    You can look at market positioning, or you can look at the experiments… A million mile Tundra with 117 dealership visits over 10 years: In maintaining his truck to the extraordinary million-mile mark, Sheppard has logged 117 dealership service visits over nine years, ranging from timing belt replacements, oil changes, and the manufacturer’s regularly scheduled check-ups. Tesla Model S with 1.2 million: However, this Model S is currently on its fourth battery pack. Four batteries at 1.2 million miles mean that the average pack lasted some 300,000 and counting, which is actually a strong showing in our opinion. It’d be interesting to try to get bounds on the costs. It seems like the Tesla special of mishandled repairs (i.e. not understanding motor failure) is an real and persistent factor. https://pressroom.toyota.com/million-mile-tundra-2016/ https://pressroom.toyota.com/million-mile-tundra-2016/ https://insideevs.com/news/699413/highest-mileage-tesla-model-s-3-batteries-14-motors/ https://insideevs.com/news/699413/highest-mileage-tesla-mode...
    - hvb2 1y ago
      I'm not certain this is valuable. While it's great to see how a car can last that long you need to be driving a LOT to ever get near that mark. That's professional driver levels. No consumer car should be built to achieve that. If they can, great, but you might be over engineering a lot to make that happen as a rule

ZeroGravitas 1y ago

Note that the battery warranties aren't just for total failure, most are for at least 70% of original capacity at say 8/10 years or 100k (and are generally increasing on newer models). BYD offer 125K miles on their blade battery for example. Coincidentally, studies have shown that MPG on ICE engines can drop as much as 40% after 10 years. You can also buy 3rd party battery warranties. As with any insurance product the price would be lower if everyone bought in. Would probably be a good subsidy for nations trying to encourage EV adoption.