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100% accurate. Livestock feed is (like most agriculture) hyper optimized. If they could increase production by 60% with any additive at all, it would immediate

100% accurate. Livestock feed is (like most agriculture) hyper optimized. If they could increase production by 60% with any additive at all, it would immediately see widespread use. People still have this weird view of farming that it's like Johnny Goodguy and his family taking care of a small herd. While that exists still, Johnny is also tracking every input and outcome and optimizing daily. The data collection and use in Ag would astound people.

anon84873628 1y ago
This article is not about a livestock feed, it's about creating a pasture polyculture that reduces the need for nitrogen fertilizer application. The 60% claim is "in comparison with pastures without the use of nitrogen fertilization." And of course only applies to the region and cattle breed they studied, not to mention only cattle raised on pasture in the first place. It's not claiming to be a magic growth tonic for all cattle. Though I agree the title is a bit exaggerated and invites misinterpretation.
- morpheos137 1y ago
  Cows graze.
  - tocs3 1y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedlot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedlot
- chasil 1y ago
  I'm curious if the nitrogen fixation is done by symbiotic bacteria. If so, can both organisms survive in all the climates where cattle is raised?
  - anon84873628 1y ago
    Yes, legumes are fairly unique in that their root nodes host symbiotic bacteria capable of fixing nitrogen for the atmosphere. That's why they are so important in crop rotation or polyculture. Every region could have different species that work best. The finding of this study, as I understand it, is identifying this foreign species that happens to work well for the location and agricultural needs.
zdragnar 1y ago
Even tractors with RTK satellite guidance have 1 inch precision. Commercial fields with modern tractors are guided to the point that the tractors drive perfectly between crops without damaging them automatically. Spraying applications and other jobs are likewise informed, driven and executed automatically in tandem between computers and overhead imagery.
Sightline 1y ago
>If they could increase production by 60% with any additive at all, it would immediately see widespread use. 1. No, that's not true at all 2. It's astounding how everywhere I go online there is someone spouting off nonsense which is then repeated and perpetuated. 3. Go listen to Gabe Brown, he saves thousands and thousands by not not paying for synthetic fertilizers. "Above every surface acre on earth there's approximately 32,000 tons of atmospheric nitrogen, why would any farmer want to write a check for nitrogen?, I just can't figure that one out" -- Gabe Brown https://youtu.be/uUmIdq0D6-A?t=1h13m58s https://youtu.be/uUmIdq0D6-A?t=1h13m58s
- thaumasiotes 1y ago
  > Go listen to Gabe Brown, he saves thousands and thousands by not not paying for synthetic fertilizers. > "Above every surface acre on earth there's approximately 32,000 tons of atmospheric nitrogen, why would any farmer want to write a check for nitrogen?, I just can't figure that one out" -- Gabe Brown It's not hard to learn. This is a topic of intense interest to many, many people. The answer is that plants get their nitrogen from the dirt, not from the air. And if nitrogen in the air were prone to react with the dirt, there wouldn't be much nitrogen left in the air.
  - pdpi 1y ago
    > And if nitrogen in the air were prone to react with the dirt, there wouldn't be much nitrogen left in the air. Our atmosphere is almost 80% N₂. If it weren’t for the fact that N₂ is basically inert and doesn’t like reacting with anything at all, life would be borderline impossible.
    - thaumasiotes 1y ago
      > If it weren’t for the fact that N₂ is basically inert and doesn’t like reacting with anything at all, life would be borderline impossible. I don't think this argument can work; the stylized rest of the atmosphere is quite reactive. That did indeed make life impossible for the forms of life that were around before the oxygen was there, but it didn't do anything to make life impossible in general.
littlexsparkee 1y ago
The few, large-scale productions that comprise half of output avail themselves of this; the vast majority that comprise the remainder do not. I'd imagine it's similar in Brazil.
bigmattystyles 1y ago
Whatever you think of him and of course he has a large bank account and a TV show, clarkson’s farm on prime was good at highlighting the slim margins, tight schedules and how at the mercy of the weather you are.

anon84873628 1y ago

This article is not about a livestock feed, it's about creating a pasture polyculture that reduces the need for nitrogen fertilizer application. The 60% claim is "in comparison with pastures without the use of nitrogen fertilization." And of course only applies to the region and cattle breed they studied, not to mention only cattle raised on pasture in the first place. It's not claiming to be a magic growth tonic for all cattle. Though I agree the title is a bit exaggerated and invites misinterpretation.

morpheos137 1y ago
Cows graze.
- tocs3 1y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedlot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedlot
chasil 1y ago
I'm curious if the nitrogen fixation is done by symbiotic bacteria. If so, can both organisms survive in all the climates where cattle is raised?
- anon84873628 1y ago
  Yes, legumes are fairly unique in that their root nodes host symbiotic bacteria capable of fixing nitrogen for the atmosphere. That's why they are so important in crop rotation or polyculture. Every region could have different species that work best. The finding of this study, as I understand it, is identifying this foreign species that happens to work well for the location and agricultural needs.

zdragnar 1y ago

Even tractors with RTK satellite guidance have 1 inch precision. Commercial fields with modern tractors are guided to the point that the tractors drive perfectly between crops without damaging them automatically. Spraying applications and other jobs are likewise informed, driven and executed automatically in tandem between computers and overhead imagery.

Sightline 1y ago

>If they could increase production by 60% with any additive at all, it would immediately see widespread use. 1. No, that's not true at all 2. It's astounding how everywhere I go online there is someone spouting off nonsense which is then repeated and perpetuated. 3. Go listen to Gabe Brown, he saves thousands and thousands by not not paying for synthetic fertilizers. "Above every surface acre on earth there's approximately 32,000 tons of atmospheric nitrogen, why would any farmer want to write a check for nitrogen?, I just can't figure that one out" -- Gabe Brown https://youtu.be/uUmIdq0D6-A?t=1h13m58s https://youtu.be/uUmIdq0D6-A?t=1h13m58s

thaumasiotes 1y ago
> Go listen to Gabe Brown, he saves thousands and thousands by not not paying for synthetic fertilizers. > "Above every surface acre on earth there's approximately 32,000 tons of atmospheric nitrogen, why would any farmer want to write a check for nitrogen?, I just can't figure that one out" -- Gabe Brown It's not hard to learn. This is a topic of intense interest to many, many people. The answer is that plants get their nitrogen from the dirt, not from the air. And if nitrogen in the air were prone to react with the dirt, there wouldn't be much nitrogen left in the air.
- pdpi 1y ago
  > And if nitrogen in the air were prone to react with the dirt, there wouldn't be much nitrogen left in the air. Our atmosphere is almost 80% N₂. If it weren’t for the fact that N₂ is basically inert and doesn’t like reacting with anything at all, life would be borderline impossible.
  - thaumasiotes 1y ago
    > If it weren’t for the fact that N₂ is basically inert and doesn’t like reacting with anything at all, life would be borderline impossible. I don't think this argument can work; the stylized rest of the atmosphere is quite reactive. That did indeed make life impossible for the forms of life that were around before the oxygen was there, but it didn't do anything to make life impossible in general.

littlexsparkee 1y ago

The few, large-scale productions that comprise half of output avail themselves of this; the vast majority that comprise the remainder do not. I'd imagine it's similar in Brazil.

bigmattystyles 1y ago

Whatever you think of him and of course he has a large bank account and a TV show, clarkson’s farm on prime was good at highlighting the slim margins, tight schedules and how at the mercy of the weather you are.