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According to http://blog.plover.com/law/Godel-dictatorship-2.html http://blog.plover.com/law/Godel-dictatorship-2.html : "Apparently, the "inconsistency" noted

by Jebdm 18y ago

According to http://blog.plover.com/law/Godel-dictatorship-2.html http://blog.plover.com/law/Godel-dictatorship-2.html : "Apparently, the "inconsistency" noted by Gödel is simply that the Constitution provides for its own amendment. Suber says: 'He noticed that the AC had procedural limitations but no substantive limitations; hence it could be used to overturn the democratic institutions described in the rest of the constitution.'"

newt0311 18y ago
Boring. Can't we find something more interesting. How about subverting the requirements for voting for state legislatures so that the voting requirements for the house representatives are automatically changed and then senators were originally appointed by the state governments... If we are going to be conspiracy theorists (or something similar) we should at least try to find some interesting conspiracies.
ensignavenger 18y ago
Yes, but that is not really a contradiction, is it? The People always have the authority to overthrow their government and setup a new one. That much was laid forth in the Declaration of Independence.
- brentr 18y ago
  While in theory the People have the authority to overthrow their government, in reality, do you honestly think that the US government would allow this to happen without a mass killing of its own people? I have long been upset with the US, yet I have long given up on any hope that the US can put itself back on the right path. The idea that damned the US is equality. I'm not talking about equality in the sense of race, gender, ethnicity, etc. I'm talking about the idea of putting everyone on a level playing field so that people's feelings are not hurt---not keeping score in youth sports, substantially dumbing down curricula, etc. This is what will eventually cause the downfall of American civilization. Anyone who will challenge the way things are currently being done will be viewed as a brutish person with an inclination towards intellectual elitism. I already see this happening.
  - ensignavenger 18y ago
    You mean socialism? Yes, that has been a threat for a long time. I have not given up hope yet. As far as your question is concerned, if things are bad enough to justify over throwing the government- of course the government isn't going to go peacefully. But some things are worth dying for. America is a land of hope and opportunity, we have been through a lot of challenges (like the Civil War) and survived, and I believe we can survive the onslaught of socialism. The Principles of the Constitution will survive (eventually), even if our Representatives fail us, even if, for a season, the People fail.

by Jebdm 18y ago

newt0311 18y ago

Boring. Can't we find something more interesting. How about subverting the requirements for voting for state legislatures so that the voting requirements for the house representatives are automatically changed and then senators were originally appointed by the state governments... If we are going to be conspiracy theorists (or something similar) we should at least try to find some interesting conspiracies.

ensignavenger 18y ago

Yes, but that is not really a contradiction, is it? The People always have the authority to overthrow their government and setup a new one. That much was laid forth in the Declaration of Independence.

brentr 18y ago
While in theory the People have the authority to overthrow their government, in reality, do you honestly think that the US government would allow this to happen without a mass killing of its own people? I have long been upset with the US, yet I have long given up on any hope that the US can put itself back on the right path. The idea that damned the US is equality. I'm not talking about equality in the sense of race, gender, ethnicity, etc. I'm talking about the idea of putting everyone on a level playing field so that people's feelings are not hurt---not keeping score in youth sports, substantially dumbing down curricula, etc. This is what will eventually cause the downfall of American civilization. Anyone who will challenge the way things are currently being done will be viewed as a brutish person with an inclination towards intellectual elitism. I already see this happening.
- ensignavenger 18y ago
  You mean socialism? Yes, that has been a threat for a long time. I have not given up hope yet. As far as your question is concerned, if things are bad enough to justify over throwing the government- of course the government isn't going to go peacefully. But some things are worth dying for. America is a land of hope and opportunity, we have been through a lot of challenges (like the Civil War) and survived, and I believe we can survive the onslaught of socialism. The Principles of the Constitution will survive (eventually), even if our Representatives fail us, even if, for a season, the People fail.