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They really nerfed Plus[0]. 80 messages every 3 hours for normal GPT-5. And only 200 messages per week for GPT-5 Thinking. It seems like terrible value. Before

They really nerfed Plus[0]. 80 messages every 3 hours for normal GPT-5. And only 200 messages per week for GPT-5 Thinking. It seems like terrible value. Before it was: 100 o3 per week 100 o4-mini-high per day 300 o4-mini per day 50 4.5 per week [0] https://help.openai.com/en/articles/11909943-gpt-5-in-chatgpt https://help.openai.com/en/articles/11909943-gpt-5-in-chatgp...

nashashmi 1y ago
Imagine the 90s being “you can only search x times a day”. Will we look back at the 20s in the same way.
- ripped_britches 1y ago
  Except AI isn’t ad supported
  - nojs 1y ago
    As Homer would say, it isn’t ad supported so far!
- floatrock 1y ago
  The search limits are surely mostly from limits on energy and compute costs. The better analogue is "Imagine in the 70's being able to teletype into an insanely expensive compute infrastructure and have reasonable timesharing capabilities of a limited resource across multiple users." Unix. I'm describing the motivation for Unix there. We already look back on earlier times with constraints that were appropriate. Presumably compute will get cheaper, we'll build more datacenters, maybe we'll even power them in a way that doesn't destroy our planet, and GPT questions will become too cheap to meter. Just give it some time.
jstummbillig 1y ago
If the past 2 years are any indicator cost per unit of capability will keep falling, rapidly.
croemer 1y ago
Oh nice so if you just used o3 (like me) there's an increase If it's not good I'll just unsubscribe. 100 o3 was enough for me and I used o3 almost exclusively. So I'm not super worried. If it's no longer SOTA and Gemini or Claude are better for everything I'll just cancel.
oconnor663 1y ago
The fast thing: 100/300 per day -> 640 per day (ish) The expensive thing: 100 per week -> 200 per week This is...the opposite of a nerf? The numbers goed up? (We can quibble about the daily vs hourly difference, but certainly for me the weekly cap was the only thing that mattered.)
- Argonaut998 1y ago
  It depends how you use it. If you exclusively used 4o and o3 then it is better now. But if you’re like me who used all models it’s worse. 4.5 was amazing for writing and still far better than ChatGPT 5. 5 thinking is probably better than o3, but I used mini-high for minor thinking tasks. That’s just not possible anymore due to the quota.
muzani 1y ago
They nerfed free too. Just yesterday, it felt like I had 50 gpt4o messages and had a 2 hour long conversation with it. Now I'm out with far less use at about 30 min. I'm guessing they'll just announce massive tier generosity later considering how GPT-5 input tokens are half the price of 4.1 on the API. It's probably a way to keep the servers from being overloaded and to encourage people to buy Plus while the hype is hot.

nashashmi 1y ago

Imagine the 90s being “you can only search x times a day”. Will we look back at the 20s in the same way.

ripped_britches 1y ago
Except AI isn’t ad supported
- nojs 1y ago
  As Homer would say, it isn’t ad supported so far!
floatrock 1y ago
The search limits are surely mostly from limits on energy and compute costs. The better analogue is "Imagine in the 70's being able to teletype into an insanely expensive compute infrastructure and have reasonable timesharing capabilities of a limited resource across multiple users." Unix. I'm describing the motivation for Unix there. We already look back on earlier times with constraints that were appropriate. Presumably compute will get cheaper, we'll build more datacenters, maybe we'll even power them in a way that doesn't destroy our planet, and GPT questions will become too cheap to meter. Just give it some time.

jstummbillig 1y ago

If the past 2 years are any indicator cost per unit of capability will keep falling, rapidly.

croemer 1y ago

Oh nice so if you just used o3 (like me) there's an increase If it's not good I'll just unsubscribe. 100 o3 was enough for me and I used o3 almost exclusively. So I'm not super worried. If it's no longer SOTA and Gemini or Claude are better for everything I'll just cancel.

oconnor663 1y ago

The fast thing: 100/300 per day -> 640 per day (ish) The expensive thing: 100 per week -> 200 per week This is...the opposite of a nerf? The numbers goed up? (We can quibble about the daily vs hourly difference, but certainly for me the weekly cap was the only thing that mattered.)

Argonaut998 1y ago
It depends how you use it. If you exclusively used 4o and o3 then it is better now. But if you’re like me who used all models it’s worse. 4.5 was amazing for writing and still far better than ChatGPT 5. 5 thinking is probably better than o3, but I used mini-high for minor thinking tasks. That’s just not possible anymore due to the quota.

muzani 1y ago

They nerfed free too. Just yesterday, it felt like I had 50 gpt4o messages and had a 2 hour long conversation with it. Now I'm out with far less use at about 30 min. I'm guessing they'll just announce massive tier generosity later considering how GPT-5 input tokens are half the price of 4.1 on the API. It's probably a way to keep the servers from being overloaded and to encourage people to buy Plus while the hype is hot.