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It's so much worse on Windows 11 too. There is a noticeable lag in opening the picker, and—unlike 10 where you could immediately start typing to search—on Windo

It's so much worse on Windows 11 too. There is a noticeable lag in opening the picker, and—unlike 10 where you could immediately start typing to search—on Windows 11 if you start typing before it's fully open, it just types your search text in the focused window and never opens the emoji picker. It just totally cancels it if you type too fast.

AlexandrB 1y ago
Many such cases. I'm trying to ward off Windows 11 for as long as I can, as I did with Windows 10 before it. Windows 7 is still the peak of "get out of my way and let me get things done" OS from Microsoft. Edit: The latest attack came in the form of a full-screen system level (covered the taskbar) advert for Windows 11 when I logged in a few weeks ago, complete with all the dark patters we expect from our tech overlords in 2025. Now the windows update status icon also has a constant blue dot on it. Clicking it lets me know I should upgrade to Windows 11 ASAP. Realistically, I'll probably reluctantly switch once Steam stops supporting Windows 10.
- anonymars 1y ago
  Even with gaming, monitoring the nvidia subreddit around new drivers, it seems like Windows 11 is not nearly as solid. I think there was some MPO (multi-plane overlay) thing that has plagued 24H2 for months? Also can't avoid mentioning Windows 11 gaming without the middle finger that is discontinuing Windows Mixed Reality and bricking the headsets. Thankfully someone looks to be making a SteamVR driver for it (https://old.reddit.com/r/WindowsMR/comments/1l65ji8/things_are_about_to_change_oasis_driver_for/ https://old.reddit.com/r/WindowsMR/comments/1l65ji8/things_a...), but what a pathetic shame he's doing it on his own time rather than MS paying the pocket change it would have taken to do it
- altairprime 1y ago
  Which SKU of Windows 10?
pjmlp 1y ago
I bet it is yet another component that has migrated away from UWP/WinUI into Webview2, hence the lag.
- AlexandrB 1y ago
  Waiting for Windows 12, where the entire UI will run in an electron container.
  - tempodox 1y ago
    Then I’ll wait for Windows 13, where all of it has been rewritten in JS.
    - pjmlp 1y ago
      Initially that was a big preposition for WinRT, actually. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinJS https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinJS When Windows 8 was initially previewed at Microsoft's developers conference, .NET wasn't still part of the overall picture.
- andrepd 1y ago
  I wish someone would explain to me the rationale of spending time and resources migrating to something to make it worse.
  - crinkly 1y ago
    I spent a good few hours contemplating this over the last couple of years and the only rational answer I can find is that they are, apologies for language, just complete fucking morons.
    - szundi 1y ago
      [dead]
  - anonymars 1y ago
anonymars 1y ago
> It's so much worse on Windows 11 too. There is a noticeable lag I think you can pretty much say that about everything in Windows 11. Seeing the XP emulation on the front page yesterday reminded me how grotesquely slow 10 and 11 are. Honestly I wonder if you ran one of the old Windows versions on period hardware how it would compare to now. And then keeping the period hardware but if you swapped to an SSD I bet it would fly. But maybe it's rose-tinted glasses. Personally I preferred Vista to 7 (7 took away a bunch of nice things). Even as bad as Windows Me was from a stability point of view, it at least added new features. I'd be hard-pressed to think of anything that Windows 11 does better than before.
- xnorswap 1y ago
  It's not rose tinted glasses, someone on twitter recently did exactly that. Windows 2000 was snappy. Incredibly so. I'd try to dig it up but search is so fundamentally broken these days I can't find it.
  - anonymars 1y ago
    Probably this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36446933 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36446933 I definitely thought that was less than two years ago...sigh That video touches on something else that drives me crazy: the decay of keyboard shortcuts -- All that being said, I will play devil's advocate for at least one modern luxury that I wouldn't want to live without that I can understand makes performance more difficult: per-monitor DPI that can change on the fly. But still: 8.1 (with ClassicShell) was fairly snappy
    - xnorswap 1y ago
      Thanks, I think that was it. Yes, there are always "reasons", but things have got dramatically worse, with especially 8 -> 10 -> 11. It particularly annoys me when apps/widget/utilities partially load in and sit there with nothing but a blank chrome, slowly partially rendering. It's a plague that has affected everything, even Task Manager.
aagha 1y ago
I'm on Win11 Pro and I have no lag at all.

AlexandrB 1y ago

Many such cases. I'm trying to ward off Windows 11 for as long as I can, as I did with Windows 10 before it. Windows 7 is still the peak of "get out of my way and let me get things done" OS from Microsoft. Edit: The latest attack came in the form of a full-screen system level (covered the taskbar) advert for Windows 11 when I logged in a few weeks ago, complete with all the dark patters we expect from our tech overlords in 2025. Now the windows update status icon also has a constant blue dot on it. Clicking it lets me know I should upgrade to Windows 11 ASAP. Realistically, I'll probably reluctantly switch once Steam stops supporting Windows 10.

anonymars 1y ago
Even with gaming, monitoring the nvidia subreddit around new drivers, it seems like Windows 11 is not nearly as solid. I think there was some MPO (multi-plane overlay) thing that has plagued 24H2 for months? Also can't avoid mentioning Windows 11 gaming without the middle finger that is discontinuing Windows Mixed Reality and bricking the headsets. Thankfully someone looks to be making a SteamVR driver for it (https://old.reddit.com/r/WindowsMR/comments/1l65ji8/things_are_about_to_change_oasis_driver_for/ https://old.reddit.com/r/WindowsMR/comments/1l65ji8/things_a...), but what a pathetic shame he's doing it on his own time rather than MS paying the pocket change it would have taken to do it
altairprime 1y ago
Which SKU of Windows 10?

pjmlp 1y ago

I bet it is yet another component that has migrated away from UWP/WinUI into Webview2, hence the lag.

AlexandrB 1y ago
Waiting for Windows 12, where the entire UI will run in an electron container.
- tempodox 1y ago
  Then I’ll wait for Windows 13, where all of it has been rewritten in JS.
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    Initially that was a big preposition for WinRT, actually. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinJS https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinJS When Windows 8 was initially previewed at Microsoft's developers conference, .NET wasn't still part of the overall picture.
andrepd 1y ago
I wish someone would explain to me the rationale of spending time and resources migrating to something to make it worse.
- crinkly 1y ago
  I spent a good few hours contemplating this over the last couple of years and the only rational answer I can find is that they are, apologies for language, just complete fucking morons.
  - szundi 1y ago
    [dead]
- anonymars 1y ago

anonymars 1y ago

> It's so much worse on Windows 11 too. There is a noticeable lag I think you can pretty much say that about everything in Windows 11. Seeing the XP emulation on the front page yesterday reminded me how grotesquely slow 10 and 11 are. Honestly I wonder if you ran one of the old Windows versions on period hardware how it would compare to now. And then keeping the period hardware but if you swapped to an SSD I bet it would fly. But maybe it's rose-tinted glasses. Personally I preferred Vista to 7 (7 took away a bunch of nice things). Even as bad as Windows Me was from a stability point of view, it at least added new features. I'd be hard-pressed to think of anything that Windows 11 does better than before.

xnorswap 1y ago
It's not rose tinted glasses, someone on twitter recently did exactly that. Windows 2000 was snappy. Incredibly so. I'd try to dig it up but search is so fundamentally broken these days I can't find it.
- anonymars 1y ago
  Probably this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36446933 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36446933 I definitely thought that was less than two years ago...sigh That video touches on something else that drives me crazy: the decay of keyboard shortcuts -- All that being said, I will play devil's advocate for at least one modern luxury that I wouldn't want to live without that I can understand makes performance more difficult: per-monitor DPI that can change on the fly. But still: 8.1 (with ClassicShell) was fairly snappy
  - xnorswap 1y ago
    Thanks, I think that was it. Yes, there are always "reasons", but things have got dramatically worse, with especially 8 -> 10 -> 11. It particularly annoys me when apps/widget/utilities partially load in and sit there with nothing but a blank chrome, slowly partially rendering. It's a plague that has affected everything, even Task Manager.

aagha 1y ago

I'm on Win11 Pro and I have no lag at all.