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Or you could pay your fair share to contribute back to the country that supported you initially by providing education, labour, infrastructure, etc. The moment

by exe34 1y ago

Or you could pay your fair share to contribute back to the country that supported you initially by providing education, labour, infrastructure, etc. The moment we talk about piracy it's all about how poor billionaires will have to sleep in their cars if you make a digital copy of something you would not have otherwise bought, but when it comes to supporting the society that created you and your wealth, suddenly it's all about finding ways to weasel out of paying.

nlitened 1y ago
> fair share Pretty sure “fair” means both sides agree that it’s fair. You can’t just say “I think it’s fair that I take a half of what you made”. You could say that people know what the conditions are before starting the business, so they implicitly agree that it’s fair if they start. But this article exactly explains what to expect because people don’t know it beforehand, and thus they now can make better informed decisions.
- exe34 1y ago
  No, because the rich will always be greedy. They already pay the lowest taxes proportionally to their wealth/income (yes I know in absolute numbers they pay the most, but that's because a billion is about a million times bigger than a thousand - can't believe I have to explain this every time, or somebody will point out the absolute numbers like it negates my point).
  - nlitened 1y ago
    All people are greedy, not only rich ones, that’s human nature. However high taxes ensure that it’s becoming more difficult to become rich, and only rich can get richer. Personally I think it’s better when more people can become rich, not fewer.
    - exe34 1y ago
      > All people are greedy, not only rich ones, that’s human nature. An yet in the current discussion, only the rich get to profit from it. > However high taxes ensure that it’s becoming more difficult to become rich, and only rich can get richer. > Personally I think it’s better when more people can become rich, not fewer. They won't get rich without food, education and housing. They're barely surviving because the rich keep sucking any chance of building wealth out of them. When inequality is low, more people become rich. When it is as high as it is currently, more people remain poor.
      - nlitened 1y ago
        > An yet in the current discussion, only the rich get to profit from it. In the current discussion, it’s about people who built their wealth from _zero_ by working overtime for years of sleepless nights, sacrificing their health and personal relationships — bootstrapping entrepreneurs. You kinda say: yay, fuck this greedy capitalist with taxes, we don’t want this kind who lift themselves from poverty through a lot of work. Instead we want people to stay poor, relying on government handouts, and only allow our usual masters with generational wealth not pay taxes, nobody is allowed to join the upper class through honest work. > They're barely surviving because the rich keep sucking any chance of building wealth out of them I have strong impression that you don’t personally know any person actually barely surviving (not only in Germany, but in any other country as well), and you base your opinion on pictures from social networks, where mentally ill working-age people beg for money to buy their next dose of alcohol or drugs. > When inequality is low, more people become rich. This literally never happened in the history of humankind when the taxes were this high (~20% VAT, up to 50% personal income tax) — feel free to provide a counterexample. Taxes this high is actual slavery.
        exe34 1y ago
        Try Scandinavia. > Taxes this high is actual slavery. I assume you're just being a drama queen now?
      - ExoticPearTree 1y ago
        > They won't get rich without food, education and housing. They're barely surviving because the rich keep sucking any chance of building wealth out of them. When inequality is low, more people become rich. When it is as high as it is currently, more people remain poor. Actually you can. Nothing motivates you more than the lack of basic necessities. When you're poor, you have only one option: do whatever it takes to not be poor. The reason many poor people stay poor is because they lack discipline and grit. They would rather stay poor than grind for 8-12-16h a day to get out. Rich people don't go robbing less rich people at night and that's how they get to be even richer. Stop blaming all the world's problems on "the rich who want to be even richer".
shputil 1y ago
It is quite funny how exactly the current amount of taxes being requested by the local government is magically "fair." Although, of course, if taxes were raised, I'm sure you would still call that "fair." And countries where taxes are lower...well, the citizens must be scamming their government, I guess?
- exe34 1y ago
  > And countries where taxes are lower...well, the citizens must be scamming their government, I guess? Yes. The happiest countries have the highest taxes because they tax those able to contribute so that everybody has a decent standard of living. Who do you think works in local government? Aliens? It's the people who live there.
  - ExoticPearTree 1y ago
    Wow. Can't wait for you to win the lottery and pay the government 80% of what you won in taxes and be happy about it. Do you even know anyone poor? As in living off on less than $2-$5 a day? Or whatever the definition of poor is in your country? And if so, can you share here with the group why they're poor and continue being poor?
    - exe34 1y ago
      A quarter of children under 4 in the UK face hunger. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8xeyx7x75eo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8xeyx7x75eo And corporate profits have never been higher. Number of billionaires has never been higher.
      - ExoticPearTree 1y ago
        how does your link answer my question?
        exe34 1y ago
        > Or whatever the definition of poor is in your country? Do you read your own questions?

by exe34 1y ago

nlitened 1y ago

> fair share Pretty sure “fair” means both sides agree that it’s fair. You can’t just say “I think it’s fair that I take a half of what you made”. You could say that people know what the conditions are before starting the business, so they implicitly agree that it’s fair if they start. But this article exactly explains what to expect because people don’t know it beforehand, and thus they now can make better informed decisions.

exe34 1y ago
No, because the rich will always be greedy. They already pay the lowest taxes proportionally to their wealth/income (yes I know in absolute numbers they pay the most, but that's because a billion is about a million times bigger than a thousand - can't believe I have to explain this every time, or somebody will point out the absolute numbers like it negates my point).
- nlitened 1y ago
  All people are greedy, not only rich ones, that’s human nature. However high taxes ensure that it’s becoming more difficult to become rich, and only rich can get richer. Personally I think it’s better when more people can become rich, not fewer.
  - exe34 1y ago
    > All people are greedy, not only rich ones, that’s human nature. An yet in the current discussion, only the rich get to profit from it. > However high taxes ensure that it’s becoming more difficult to become rich, and only rich can get richer. > Personally I think it’s better when more people can become rich, not fewer. They won't get rich without food, education and housing. They're barely surviving because the rich keep sucking any chance of building wealth out of them. When inequality is low, more people become rich. When it is as high as it is currently, more people remain poor.
    - nlitened 1y ago
      > An yet in the current discussion, only the rich get to profit from it. In the current discussion, it’s about people who built their wealth from _zero_ by working overtime for years of sleepless nights, sacrificing their health and personal relationships — bootstrapping entrepreneurs. You kinda say: yay, fuck this greedy capitalist with taxes, we don’t want this kind who lift themselves from poverty through a lot of work. Instead we want people to stay poor, relying on government handouts, and only allow our usual masters with generational wealth not pay taxes, nobody is allowed to join the upper class through honest work. > They're barely surviving because the rich keep sucking any chance of building wealth out of them I have strong impression that you don’t personally know any person actually barely surviving (not only in Germany, but in any other country as well), and you base your opinion on pictures from social networks, where mentally ill working-age people beg for money to buy their next dose of alcohol or drugs. > When inequality is low, more people become rich. This literally never happened in the history of humankind when the taxes were this high (~20% VAT, up to 50% personal income tax) — feel free to provide a counterexample. Taxes this high is actual slavery.
      - exe34 1y ago
        Try Scandinavia. > Taxes this high is actual slavery. I assume you're just being a drama queen now?
    - ExoticPearTree 1y ago
      > They won't get rich without food, education and housing. They're barely surviving because the rich keep sucking any chance of building wealth out of them. When inequality is low, more people become rich. When it is as high as it is currently, more people remain poor. Actually you can. Nothing motivates you more than the lack of basic necessities. When you're poor, you have only one option: do whatever it takes to not be poor. The reason many poor people stay poor is because they lack discipline and grit. They would rather stay poor than grind for 8-12-16h a day to get out. Rich people don't go robbing less rich people at night and that's how they get to be even richer. Stop blaming all the world's problems on "the rich who want to be even richer".

shputil 1y ago

It is quite funny how exactly the current amount of taxes being requested by the local government is magically "fair." Although, of course, if taxes were raised, I'm sure you would still call that "fair." And countries where taxes are lower...well, the citizens must be scamming their government, I guess?

exe34 1y ago
> And countries where taxes are lower...well, the citizens must be scamming their government, I guess? Yes. The happiest countries have the highest taxes because they tax those able to contribute so that everybody has a decent standard of living. Who do you think works in local government? Aliens? It's the people who live there.
- ExoticPearTree 1y ago
  Wow. Can't wait for you to win the lottery and pay the government 80% of what you won in taxes and be happy about it. Do you even know anyone poor? As in living off on less than $2-$5 a day? Or whatever the definition of poor is in your country? And if so, can you share here with the group why they're poor and continue being poor?
  - exe34 1y ago
    A quarter of children under 4 in the UK face hunger. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8xeyx7x75eo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8xeyx7x75eo And corporate profits have never been higher. Number of billionaires has never been higher.
    - ExoticPearTree 1y ago
      how does your link answer my question?
      - exe34 1y ago
        > Or whatever the definition of poor is in your country? Do you read your own questions?