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As a German I couldn't agree more. I am your age and even I consider leaving. If I was still young I wouldn't be here anymore. I think the combination of capit

As a German I couldn't agree more. I am your age and even I consider leaving. If I was still young I wouldn't be here anymore. I think the combination of capital and skilled labour fleeing is very concerning and a trend that could end up self-reinforcing and hard to stop.

oulipo 1y ago
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- zgk7iqea 1y ago
  maybe better in terms of overall living standards but not in terms of innovation or the state being friendly to someone running a business
  - oulipo 1y ago
    well what matters in the end is living standard. Innovation is cool, but it's pointless if it is to serve a stupid fascist society
    - zgk7iqea 1y ago
      the OP is about the difficulty of running a business in germany, not living standards. And what matters is always subjective
- hasnd 1y ago
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- weinzierl 1y ago
  US as destination is so unrealistic that I'd never really considered it. Also this was about leaving Germany, not necessarily leaving Europe.
- ExpertAdvisor01 1y ago
  I would rather live/work in the US than Germany . I lived almost my whole life in Germany
MaKey 1y ago
Why do you consider leaving? Where would you rather live?
- weinzierl 1y ago
  Lack of confidence in future economic improvement. A place where I could blend in which rules out the kind of obvious and otherwise excellent choices in Asia.
  - MaKey 1y ago
    > Lack of confidence in future economic improvement. Germany is still the 3rd biggest economy worldwide. If you want to stay in Europe (as per your other comment) and future economic improvement is your biggest concern, I don't see a benefit in moving anywhere else.
    - weinzierl 1y ago
      "still" is the keyword. No intention to walk into disaster with eyes wide open.
      - MaKey 1y ago
        How do you intend to avoid this disaster you see on the horizon?
    - ExoticPearTree 1y ago
      Europe currently runs on inertia. The EC is killing pretty much everything with over-regulation. We don't have AI in Europe (don't get me started about Mistral) but we have AI regulation.
cpursley 1y ago
Don’t forget the energy suicide Germany has committed. Cheap energy was the backbone of Germanys rich industrial economy, and that rug has been (allowed and even encouraged) to be pulled by none other than the country now offering them a “very good price” on LNG…
- trallnag 1y ago
  Did you miss the Russo-Ukrainian war? Or are you suggesting that we (Europeans) should have continued pumping cash into Russia for a bunch of gas?
  - properpopper 1y ago
    No, but I think that diplomacy layer did a horrible job in stopping that conflict early. They signed the Minsk agreements just to ignore them later
  - bhelkey 1y ago
    I think what they were referring to Germany phasing out nuclear power. In 2011 Germany had 17 active nuclear power plants. They closed their last one in 2023.
  - cpursley 1y ago
    You still are, and more than you've sent to help Ukraine. I was mostly talking nuclear power shutdowns btw. Meanwhile, vital German heavy industry has already started shutting down.
    - ExoticPearTree 1y ago
      > I was mostly talking nuclear power shutdowns btw. There is some confusion here: the issue is not necessarily about pure electrical power alone. You need oil and oil based products for most of the things (plastics, fabrics etc.).
  - ExoticPearTree 1y ago
    > Or are you suggesting that we (Europeans) should have continued pumping cash into Russia for a bunch of gas? Unpopular opinion these days, but yes. A government's duty is first and foremost to its citizens. Anyone else comes last.

oulipo 1y ago

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zgk7iqea 1y ago
maybe better in terms of overall living standards but not in terms of innovation or the state being friendly to someone running a business
- oulipo 1y ago
  well what matters in the end is living standard. Innovation is cool, but it's pointless if it is to serve a stupid fascist society
  - zgk7iqea 1y ago
    the OP is about the difficulty of running a business in germany, not living standards. And what matters is always subjective
hasnd 1y ago
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weinzierl 1y ago
US as destination is so unrealistic that I'd never really considered it. Also this was about leaving Germany, not necessarily leaving Europe.
ExpertAdvisor01 1y ago
I would rather live/work in the US than Germany . I lived almost my whole life in Germany

MaKey 1y ago

Why do you consider leaving? Where would you rather live?

weinzierl 1y ago
Lack of confidence in future economic improvement. A place where I could blend in which rules out the kind of obvious and otherwise excellent choices in Asia.
- MaKey 1y ago
  > Lack of confidence in future economic improvement. Germany is still the 3rd biggest economy worldwide. If you want to stay in Europe (as per your other comment) and future economic improvement is your biggest concern, I don't see a benefit in moving anywhere else.
  - weinzierl 1y ago
    "still" is the keyword. No intention to walk into disaster with eyes wide open.
    - MaKey 1y ago
      How do you intend to avoid this disaster you see on the horizon?
  - ExoticPearTree 1y ago
    Europe currently runs on inertia. The EC is killing pretty much everything with over-regulation. We don't have AI in Europe (don't get me started about Mistral) but we have AI regulation.

cpursley 1y ago

Don’t forget the energy suicide Germany has committed. Cheap energy was the backbone of Germanys rich industrial economy, and that rug has been (allowed and even encouraged) to be pulled by none other than the country now offering them a “very good price” on LNG…

trallnag 1y ago
Did you miss the Russo-Ukrainian war? Or are you suggesting that we (Europeans) should have continued pumping cash into Russia for a bunch of gas?
- properpopper 1y ago
  No, but I think that diplomacy layer did a horrible job in stopping that conflict early. They signed the Minsk agreements just to ignore them later
- bhelkey 1y ago
  I think what they were referring to Germany phasing out nuclear power. In 2011 Germany had 17 active nuclear power plants. They closed their last one in 2023.
- cpursley 1y ago
  You still are, and more than you've sent to help Ukraine. I was mostly talking nuclear power shutdowns btw. Meanwhile, vital German heavy industry has already started shutting down.
  - ExoticPearTree 1y ago
    > I was mostly talking nuclear power shutdowns btw. There is some confusion here: the issue is not necessarily about pure electrical power alone. You need oil and oil based products for most of the things (plastics, fabrics etc.).
- ExoticPearTree 1y ago
  > Or are you suggesting that we (Europeans) should have continued pumping cash into Russia for a bunch of gas? Unpopular opinion these days, but yes. A government's duty is first and foremost to its citizens. Anyone else comes last.