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Maybe I'm just not seeing it, but is that use case really real and not just prudish hallucinations? The market for NSFW novels is smaller than even cyberpunk pa

Maybe I'm just not seeing it, but is that use case really real and not just prudish hallucinations? The market for NSFW novels is smaller than even cyberpunk paperbacks, there's no way everyday people build up addiction for an interactive version of it.

cess11 1y ago
The claim that Fifty Shades of Grey and, I don't know, Norman Mailer?, Chuck Tingle?, are less common on book shelves and night stands than cyberpunk paperbacks seems obviously wrong to me. Perhaps you could elucidate further on this subject? I'm mostly into books from 1800-1985 or so and don't know much about contemporary literary fashion. Edit: Jean M Auel was extremely common in occidental households a few decades ago, especially the first and second books about Ayla, I'd wager much, much more common than cyberpunk. Same goes for books by Alex Comfort.
amanaplanacanal 1y ago
I suspect NSFW novels is a bigger market than you think. Spicy romantasy is popular among a certain set of readers.
eddythompson80 1y ago
Not NSFW, but I was surprised at hearing 2 random 20-something adults tell me they use chatgpt to write fan fiction to read. Those 2 people didn't know each other but were from similar demographic. It was surprising nonetheless. I can't imagine why anyone would care about such a bizarre use case.
Al-Khwarizmi 1y ago
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Balinares 1y ago
Not quite. The market for romance (which can, in fact, get arbitrary degrees of spicy) is by far the largest literary market. (Source: https://bookadreport.com/book-market-overview-authors-statistics-facts/ https://bookadreport.com/book-market-overview-authors-statis...) LLMs are also hilariously bad at what makes erotica hot in the first place.
michaelt 1y ago
Openrouter provides a multi-model, multi-provider API for hosted LLMs. I myself used their API to compare different LLMs for document classification. They provide usage rankings [1] and the top 10 applications, in terms of tokens used, are: 1. AI coding agent 2. AI coding agent 3. AI coding agent 4. Library for calling LLMs 5. Role play chat 6. Role play chat 7. Role play chat 8. General purpose chat 9. AI coding agent 10. Role play chat Certainly, the coding agents are burning through far more tokens. No doubt about that. And there's undoubtedly a major bias introduced by the fact chatgpt and claude $20/month accounts are heavily discounted, so if your use is SFW why pay more to get an uncensored model? But overall, to me, the evidence seems pretty robust. [1] https://openrouter.ai/rankings https://openrouter.ai/rankings

cess11 1y ago

The claim that Fifty Shades of Grey and, I don't know, Norman Mailer?, Chuck Tingle?, are less common on book shelves and night stands than cyberpunk paperbacks seems obviously wrong to me. Perhaps you could elucidate further on this subject? I'm mostly into books from 1800-1985 or so and don't know much about contemporary literary fashion. Edit: Jean M Auel was extremely common in occidental households a few decades ago, especially the first and second books about Ayla, I'd wager much, much more common than cyberpunk. Same goes for books by Alex Comfort.

amanaplanacanal 1y ago

I suspect NSFW novels is a bigger market than you think. Spicy romantasy is popular among a certain set of readers.

eddythompson80 1y ago

Not NSFW, but I was surprised at hearing 2 random 20-something adults tell me they use chatgpt to write fan fiction to read. Those 2 people didn't know each other but were from similar demographic. It was surprising nonetheless. I can't imagine why anyone would care about such a bizarre use case.

Al-Khwarizmi 1y ago

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Balinares 1y ago

Not quite. The market for romance (which can, in fact, get arbitrary degrees of spicy) is by far the largest literary market. (Source: https://bookadreport.com/book-market-overview-authors-statistics-facts/ https://bookadreport.com/book-market-overview-authors-statis...) LLMs are also hilariously bad at what makes erotica hot in the first place.

michaelt 1y ago

Openrouter provides a multi-model, multi-provider API for hosted LLMs. I myself used their API to compare different LLMs for document classification. They provide usage rankings [1] and the top 10 applications, in terms of tokens used, are: 1. AI coding agent 2. AI coding agent 3. AI coding agent 4. Library for calling LLMs 5. Role play chat 6. Role play chat 7. Role play chat 8. General purpose chat 9. AI coding agent 10. Role play chat Certainly, the coding agents are burning through far more tokens. No doubt about that. And there's undoubtedly a major bias introduced by the fact chatgpt and claude $20/month accounts are heavily discounted, so if your use is SFW why pay more to get an uncensored model? But overall, to me, the evidence seems pretty robust. [1] https://openrouter.ai/rankings https://openrouter.ai/rankings