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Not necessarily. As USA is the main destination for IPO, wouldn't many German companies naturally leave? Also once you are successful you can afford to pay th

by v5v3 1y ago

Not necessarily. As USA is the main destination for IPO, wouldn't many German companies naturally leave? Also once you are successful you can afford to pay the costs to arrange the companies affairs in a tax efficient manner e.g. utilise low tax regions with the EU such as Luxembourg and wider world.

WalterBright 1y ago
> As USA is the main destination for IPO Why do you think that might be? Perhaps the Germans could make their IPOs more business friendly, so they have no reason to flee.
- v5v3 1y ago
  Germany is a smaller country with 70 million people or so. USA has multiples of that at 300million people or so. Many companies will float in New York but also have secondary listings in their home country. If they created a single EU wide stock market it would compete much better.
  - WalterBright 1y ago
    Germany has been an enormous economic powerhouse in the past. It can be so again.
    - tonyhart7 1y ago
      why you acting like its not true now??? it still economic powerhouse (at least best on continent)
      - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        All major German companies have been bleeding money and announcing layoffs like crazy in last years.
        oaiey 1y ago
        German companies are reorganizing themselves to compete in a new world order. Thanks to Trump and Putin. The German industry is build for a peaceful and globalized western world order which was established by the US after WWII and was demolished in the last years. So change is necessary. This will cost for a while and then work again.
        FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        >Thanks to Trump and Putin. Nope, it's thanks to loosing competitiveness in some key sectors. Trump and Putin are the convenient scapegoats but it's not Trump and Putin's fault the Xiaomi SU7 is faster and cheaper than a Porsche. It's not Trump and Putin's fault that Germany doesn't have a strong software/service industry. Germany's lack of innovation in new tech is finally catching up with them. Also Trump and Putin didn't force Germany to tie it's economy to Russian gas and invest in copper Internet instead of fiber, that was Schröder, a German. Trump was actually warning Germany about this being a risk and they laughed in his face. Who's laughing now? Germany's economy is built on outdated businesses models around selling expensively manufactured niche products by expensive unionized workers protected by paperwork and bureaucracy that don't work in 2020s anymore when US owns the software industry and China, Korea and Taiwan the hardware industry who aren't bogged down by unions. They've been outcompeted and now are looking for outsider to blame for their own short sighted mistakes where they chased a quick buck at all cost at the expense of the future.
        bawana 1y ago
        Not just Germany…it’s a worldwide contraction. The real economy is shrinking. The financial economy is the only one growing.1% of the world owns 43% of the assets. All the growth numbers you hear have nothing to do w real people. Here in the USA salaries adjusted for inflation have not risen.
        FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        True. The economic/GDP growth politicians love to keep bringing up has little to do with people's actual prosperity as most of that economic growth gets captured in the pockets of the top 1-10% with little trickle down. That's why working class people are angry and feel broke despite the constant "line goes up" narrative.
      - WalterBright 1y ago
        In the 80s, I traveled in Germany and visited with friends. I was running my own company, and they asked me how hard it was to set up a business. I replied that it required filling out a one page form and sending $30 to the state. They were shocked at how easy it was. I'm not terribly familiar with the business environment in Germany, but I hear things like it's really hard to fire someone.
- pyrale 1y ago
  > Why do you think that might be? This kind of rethorical question is annoying. If you have an opinion, state it. > Perhaps the Germans could make their IPOs more business friendly The main reason companies tend to get listed in the US (or, in the case of many large existing companies, to get listed there on top of their existing listing in their home country) is that the US stock market is the largest in the world, and listing there means easier access to more would-be buyers, and therefore better market capitalization. I suspect your advice to German policymakers wasn't "somehow make Frankfurt the largest trading place in the world", but that's litterally what it would take.
  - WalterBright 1y ago
    > If you have an opinion, state it. My opinion is obvious. Not as business friendly as the US. Make Germany a more attractive place for business than the US.
ExpertAdvisor01 1y ago
Keyword: BEPS. Won't work as easily as you describe it.

by v5v3 1y ago

WalterBright 1y ago

> As USA is the main destination for IPO Why do you think that might be? Perhaps the Germans could make their IPOs more business friendly, so they have no reason to flee.

v5v3 1y ago
Germany is a smaller country with 70 million people or so. USA has multiples of that at 300million people or so. Many companies will float in New York but also have secondary listings in their home country. If they created a single EU wide stock market it would compete much better.
- WalterBright 1y ago
  Germany has been an enormous economic powerhouse in the past. It can be so again.
  - tonyhart7 1y ago
    why you acting like its not true now??? it still economic powerhouse (at least best on continent)
    - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
      All major German companies have been bleeding money and announcing layoffs like crazy in last years.
      - oaiey 1y ago
        German companies are reorganizing themselves to compete in a new world order. Thanks to Trump and Putin. The German industry is build for a peaceful and globalized western world order which was established by the US after WWII and was demolished in the last years. So change is necessary. This will cost for a while and then work again.
        FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        >Thanks to Trump and Putin. Nope, it's thanks to loosing competitiveness in some key sectors. Trump and Putin are the convenient scapegoats but it's not Trump and Putin's fault the Xiaomi SU7 is faster and cheaper than a Porsche. It's not Trump and Putin's fault that Germany doesn't have a strong software/service industry. Germany's lack of innovation in new tech is finally catching up with them. Also Trump and Putin didn't force Germany to tie it's economy to Russian gas and invest in copper Internet instead of fiber, that was Schröder, a German. Trump was actually warning Germany about this being a risk and they laughed in his face. Who's laughing now? Germany's economy is built on outdated businesses models around selling expensively manufactured niche products by expensive unionized workers protected by paperwork and bureaucracy that don't work in 2020s anymore when US owns the software industry and China, Korea and Taiwan the hardware industry who aren't bogged down by unions. They've been outcompeted and now are looking for outsider to blame for their own short sighted mistakes where they chased a quick buck at all cost at the expense of the future.
      - bawana 1y ago
        Not just Germany…it’s a worldwide contraction. The real economy is shrinking. The financial economy is the only one growing.1% of the world owns 43% of the assets. All the growth numbers you hear have nothing to do w real people. Here in the USA salaries adjusted for inflation have not risen.
        FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        True. The economic/GDP growth politicians love to keep bringing up has little to do with people's actual prosperity as most of that economic growth gets captured in the pockets of the top 1-10% with little trickle down. That's why working class people are angry and feel broke despite the constant "line goes up" narrative.
    - WalterBright 1y ago
      In the 80s, I traveled in Germany and visited with friends. I was running my own company, and they asked me how hard it was to set up a business. I replied that it required filling out a one page form and sending $30 to the state. They were shocked at how easy it was. I'm not terribly familiar with the business environment in Germany, but I hear things like it's really hard to fire someone.
pyrale 1y ago
> Why do you think that might be? This kind of rethorical question is annoying. If you have an opinion, state it. > Perhaps the Germans could make their IPOs more business friendly The main reason companies tend to get listed in the US (or, in the case of many large existing companies, to get listed there on top of their existing listing in their home country) is that the US stock market is the largest in the world, and listing there means easier access to more would-be buyers, and therefore better market capitalization. I suspect your advice to German policymakers wasn't "somehow make Frankfurt the largest trading place in the world", but that's litterally what it would take.
- WalterBright 1y ago
  > If you have an opinion, state it. My opinion is obvious. Not as business friendly as the US. Make Germany a more attractive place for business than the US.

ExpertAdvisor01 1y ago

Keyword: BEPS. Won't work as easily as you describe it.