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I'm currently driving a rental which has this feature and I can't stand it. There is no added value and this feature exists solely to appeal to people who think

I'm currently driving a rental which has this feature and I can't stand it. There is no added value and this feature exists solely to appeal to people who think it's "cool". (They must exist, right?) I guess you get used to it with time but I find myself constantly having to throw the key back into the car so I can do things like exit momentarily and keep the air conditioning going. I also don't trust that the car won't then lock itself with the key and my child inside, so I also have to remember to roll down the window.

vachina 1y ago
Unwarranted worries. I keep the fob in my pocket all the time, the car will keep running without the fob. Also usually these systems have incar fob detection. Mine will refuse to lock if it senses the fob is inside the car.
- SirMaster 1y ago
  That doesn’t make sense. You can’t lock the car if your key is inside? So a bad person can just open your door and attack you because you can’t lock your door when your key is inside? My Camry has incar fob detection and I can definitely lock the car while the fob is inside.
  - vachina 1y ago
    I meant lock the car from the outside, using the door handle.
    - gertlex 1y ago
      Thanks for the clarification. Wild to me I didn't know this external lock button was a thing (my car's 16 years old... but I drive a rental a couple times/year...).
  - alias_neo 1y ago
    It won't let you press the button on the handle to lock it if the key is inside and you're not, prevents you from locking the keys in the car, mine does the same, the car will beep 3 times if I try to lock it from outside while the key is inside. If you're also inside, you just press the lock button in the car and it'll lock just fine.
vel0city 1y ago
There's a huge value feature, I can keep the "key" in my pocket or bag or whatever and I don't have to fetch it out. Plus the "key" can be a phone or other device. Adding in a stick of metal that can be trivially bypassed does nothing to make the car more secure.
- jsiepkes 1y ago
  > Adding in a stick of metal that can be trivially bypassed does nothing to make the car more secure. Everyone can use a flipper zero to unlock a car. Not everyone can hotwire a car. Keyless ignition means criminals have a vastly larger recruitment pool of people they can offer money to do something stupid (like stealing a car for them).
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  - kube-system 1y ago
    > Everyone can use a flipper zero to unlock a car. Not everyone can hotwire a car. You live in a tech bubble if you really think this is the case. Attacking a lock cylinder is a lot lower-skill of an attack than a cryptographic attack. Recent car theft epidemics have shown this, e.g. #kiaboys
    - jsiepkes 1y ago
      > You live in a tech bubble if you really think this is the case Everyone can operate a flipper zero with a custom firmware which provides a three step process: * Select car make. * Press button A to unlock doors. * Press button B to start car. > Attacking a lock cylinder is a lot lower-skill All "recent" cars (as in everything from about 2000 and up) have an immobiliser. It's even mandatory in some countries since about 2000 [1]. Meaning the key "talks" to the car when you turn it in the lock cylinder. Locking picking the lock or hot-wiring the car isn't going to start the car. And that's not even taking into account the car alarm will go off if you just lock pick a lock on it. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immobiliser https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immobiliser
wat10000 1y ago
It’s convenient. If I want to keep the AC on when I exit, I push the button for that before I get out. It’s especially nice when the key is my phone. I never have to worry about keys. I just get in my car and drive, and when I arrive I get out. I keep a key card in my wallet as a backup in case my phone explodes.
ponector 1y ago
>> throw the key back into the car so I can do things Isn't it the same for old style key, but with even more actions? Like to navigate a keyhole, turn the key...

vachina 1y ago

Unwarranted worries. I keep the fob in my pocket all the time, the car will keep running without the fob. Also usually these systems have incar fob detection. Mine will refuse to lock if it senses the fob is inside the car.

SirMaster 1y ago
That doesn’t make sense. You can’t lock the car if your key is inside? So a bad person can just open your door and attack you because you can’t lock your door when your key is inside? My Camry has incar fob detection and I can definitely lock the car while the fob is inside.
- vachina 1y ago
  I meant lock the car from the outside, using the door handle.
  - gertlex 1y ago
    Thanks for the clarification. Wild to me I didn't know this external lock button was a thing (my car's 16 years old... but I drive a rental a couple times/year...).
- alias_neo 1y ago
  It won't let you press the button on the handle to lock it if the key is inside and you're not, prevents you from locking the keys in the car, mine does the same, the car will beep 3 times if I try to lock it from outside while the key is inside. If you're also inside, you just press the lock button in the car and it'll lock just fine.

vel0city 1y ago

There's a huge value feature, I can keep the "key" in my pocket or bag or whatever and I don't have to fetch it out. Plus the "key" can be a phone or other device. Adding in a stick of metal that can be trivially bypassed does nothing to make the car more secure.

jsiepkes 1y ago
> Adding in a stick of metal that can be trivially bypassed does nothing to make the car more secure. Everyone can use a flipper zero to unlock a car. Not everyone can hotwire a car. Keyless ignition means criminals have a vastly larger recruitment pool of people they can offer money to do something stupid (like stealing a car for them).
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- kube-system 1y ago
  > Everyone can use a flipper zero to unlock a car. Not everyone can hotwire a car. You live in a tech bubble if you really think this is the case. Attacking a lock cylinder is a lot lower-skill of an attack than a cryptographic attack. Recent car theft epidemics have shown this, e.g. #kiaboys
  - jsiepkes 1y ago
    > You live in a tech bubble if you really think this is the case Everyone can operate a flipper zero with a custom firmware which provides a three step process: * Select car make. * Press button A to unlock doors. * Press button B to start car. > Attacking a lock cylinder is a lot lower-skill All "recent" cars (as in everything from about 2000 and up) have an immobiliser. It's even mandatory in some countries since about 2000 [1]. Meaning the key "talks" to the car when you turn it in the lock cylinder. Locking picking the lock or hot-wiring the car isn't going to start the car. And that's not even taking into account the car alarm will go off if you just lock pick a lock on it. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immobiliser https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immobiliser

wat10000 1y ago

It’s convenient. If I want to keep the AC on when I exit, I push the button for that before I get out. It’s especially nice when the key is my phone. I never have to worry about keys. I just get in my car and drive, and when I arrive I get out. I keep a key card in my wallet as a backup in case my phone explodes.

ponector 1y ago

>> throw the key back into the car so I can do things Isn't it the same for old style key, but with even more actions? Like to navigate a keyhole, turn the key...