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No way... Fake pictures in ads? Who would have thought!

by kleiba 14y ago

TeMPOraL 14y ago
It's not just a picture IN ad, it's also picture OF what's advertised, and that, at least in some parts of the world, is required by law to be real.
- goblin89 14y ago
  I guess it depends on the amount of ‘real’. Is post-processing allowed, for example? If yes, everything including light spikes could be claimed to be artificially added, not resulting from using different equipment. If pictures are required to be straight from the camera—well, there still are inevitable pre-production and (more importantly) RAW conversion steps. There's a need for more complex regulations here.
  - praptak 14y ago
    > There's a need for more complex regulations here. I'm not sure about that. The general "don't be a dickhead" rule and the resulting public stink for those who don't follow seem to work ok in this case.
  - sltkr 14y ago
    You raise valid points, but taking a photo with a professional DSLR camera instead of the phone camera you are advertising goes way beyond post-processing. > Well, there still are inevitable pre-production and (more importantly) RAW conversion steps. Sure, but there is a standard procedure to get a photo out of your camera and onto your Facebook page, and that's pretty much the standard amount of processing necessary. I'm more interested to see what the photo would look like if I made it with their camera, than what a professional photographer with a DSLR and a Photoshop license can do with it.
goblin89 14y ago
I've heard[0] that ‘big’ camera makes like Canon or Nikon regularly advertise their products using photos made with completely different equipment. It would be more surprising if Nokia used actual photos made with Lumia in promotion materials, I guess. [0] http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d3/h3d-1.htm http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d3/h3d-1.htm: “For those of us in the press (Ken), we laughed when we looked at the EXIF data of Nikon's PR photos of the D3. They were shot in a studio, so of course Nikon had them shot with an appropriate camera: a $30,000 Phase One P45 back.” Anecdotal evidence, but I'm unable to find another source, so take it with a grain of salt.
- raverbashing 14y ago
  I wonder what the manufacturers of the P45 use to take their fake pictures =)
- dagw 14y ago
  Let's be careful about what we're talking about here. If the pictures are of the actual camera and are about showing the physical product then they're no doubt often shot in a studio with a proper studio camera. That's (probably) what Ken is talking about and there is nothing underhand about that. If on the other hand the pictures are about showing what kind of results the camera can produce then I very much doubt they'd risk faking it by using a different camera.
  - manojlds 14y ago
    But Nokia are talking about the kind of results you will get from the phone right. So it can just be a simulation of the result.
    - andrewfelix 14y ago
      If they had to go out of their way to 'simulate' their own products results, it makes you wonder what kind of a result the average consumer can expect.
- epo 14y ago
M4v3R 14y ago
How Apple advertises their camera in iPhone: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1127246/Screenshots/sb53.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1127246/Screenshots/sb53.png You can say what you want about Apple, but they did it right. Unretouched photos. Full-res available for download. Source: http://www.apple.com/iphone/built-in-apps/camera.html http://www.apple.com/iphone/built-in-apps/camera.html
- mtgx 14y ago
  Kudos to Apple for using real pictures, but this also made me realize how I hope phone cameras become much better and soon, because that pictures looks quite blurry to me. But at least they are showing people exactly what they can buy, instead of some fake or heavily retouched image that won't be reproduced in real life by 99.9% of the iPhone users.
  - cmelbye 14y ago
    Blurry? Are we looking at the same pictures? http://images.apple.com/iphone/includes/camera-gallery/IMG_1031.JPG http://images.apple.com/iphone/includes/camera-gallery/IMG_1... That fur looks pretty sharp to me.
  - veemjeem 14y ago
    Maybe you have a crappy monitor, but the picture looks quite sharp from here.

No way... Fake pictures in ads? Who would have thought!

by kleiba 14y ago

No way... Fake pictures in ads? Who would have thought!

It's not just a picture IN ad, it's also picture OF what's advertised, and that, at least in some parts of the world, is required by law to be real.

goblin89 14y ago
I guess it depends on the amount of ‘real’. Is post-processing allowed, for example? If yes, everything including light spikes could be claimed to be artificially added, not resulting from using different equipment. If pictures are required to be straight from the camera—well, there still are inevitable pre-production and (more importantly) RAW conversion steps. There's a need for more complex regulations here.
- praptak 14y ago
  > There's a need for more complex regulations here. I'm not sure about that. The general "don't be a dickhead" rule and the resulting public stink for those who don't follow seem to work ok in this case.
- sltkr 14y ago
  You raise valid points, but taking a photo with a professional DSLR camera instead of the phone camera you are advertising goes way beyond post-processing. > Well, there still are inevitable pre-production and (more importantly) RAW conversion steps. Sure, but there is a standard procedure to get a photo out of your camera and onto your Facebook page, and that's pretty much the standard amount of processing necessary. I'm more interested to see what the photo would look like if I made it with their camera, than what a professional photographer with a DSLR and a Photoshop license can do with it.

goblin89 14y ago

I've heard[0] that ‘big’ camera makes like Canon or Nikon regularly advertise their products using photos made with completely different equipment. It would be more surprising if Nokia used actual photos made with Lumia in promotion materials, I guess. [0] http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d3/h3d-1.htm http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d3/h3d-1.htm: “For those of us in the press (Ken), we laughed when we looked at the EXIF data of Nikon's PR photos of the D3. They were shot in a studio, so of course Nikon had them shot with an appropriate camera: a $30,000 Phase One P45 back.” Anecdotal evidence, but I'm unable to find another source, so take it with a grain of salt.

raverbashing 14y ago
I wonder what the manufacturers of the P45 use to take their fake pictures =)
dagw 14y ago
Let's be careful about what we're talking about here. If the pictures are of the actual camera and are about showing the physical product then they're no doubt often shot in a studio with a proper studio camera. That's (probably) what Ken is talking about and there is nothing underhand about that. If on the other hand the pictures are about showing what kind of results the camera can produce then I very much doubt they'd risk faking it by using a different camera.
- manojlds 14y ago
  But Nokia are talking about the kind of results you will get from the phone right. So it can just be a simulation of the result.
  - andrewfelix 14y ago
    If they had to go out of their way to 'simulate' their own products results, it makes you wonder what kind of a result the average consumer can expect.
epo 14y ago

M4v3R 14y ago

How Apple advertises their camera in iPhone: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1127246/Screenshots/sb53.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1127246/Screenshots/sb53.png You can say what you want about Apple, but they did it right. Unretouched photos. Full-res available for download. Source: http://www.apple.com/iphone/built-in-apps/camera.html http://www.apple.com/iphone/built-in-apps/camera.html

mtgx 14y ago
Kudos to Apple for using real pictures, but this also made me realize how I hope phone cameras become much better and soon, because that pictures looks quite blurry to me. But at least they are showing people exactly what they can buy, instead of some fake or heavily retouched image that won't be reproduced in real life by 99.9% of the iPhone users.
- cmelbye 14y ago
  Blurry? Are we looking at the same pictures? http://images.apple.com/iphone/includes/camera-gallery/IMG_1031.JPG http://images.apple.com/iphone/includes/camera-gallery/IMG_1... That fur looks pretty sharp to me.
- veemjeem 14y ago
  Maybe you have a crappy monitor, but the picture looks quite sharp from here.