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which is a thing with humans as well - I had a colleague with certified 150+ IQ, and other than moments of scary smart insight, he was not a superman or anythin

which is a thing with humans as well - I had a colleague with certified 150+ IQ, and other than moments of scary smart insight, he was not a superman or anything, he was surprisingly ordinary. Not to bring him down, he was a great guy, but I'd argue many of his good qualities had nothing to do with how smart he was.

Quarrelsome 1y ago
I've always figured that tanglible "intelligence" which leads to more effective decision making is just a better appreciation of one's own stupidity.
- ethbr1 1y ago
  +1. Being exceptionally intelligent doesn't always catch unknown unknowns. (Sometimes, but not always)
  - cgio 1y ago
    That would be an extreme criterion for exceptional intelligence, akin to asking for there to be no unknowns.
    - ethbr1 1y ago
      It's an observation that being smarter in the things you do know isn't everything.
    - Quarrelsome 1y ago
      perhaps the argument is simply that "exceptional intelligence" is just being better at accepting how little you know, and being better at dealing with uncertainty. Both respecting it and attempting to mitigate against it. I find some of the smartest people I know are careful about expressing certainty.
alluro2 1y ago
I'm in the same 150+ group. I really think it doesn't mean much on its own. While I am able to breeze through some things and find some connections sometimes that elude some of the other people, it's not that much different than all the other people doing the same at other occasions. I am still very much average in large majority of every-day activities, held back by childhood experiences, resulting coping mechanisms etc, like we all are. Learning from experience (hopefully not always your own), working well with others, and being able to persevere when things are tough, demotivational or boring, trumps raw intelligence easily, IMO.
- fieldcny 1y ago
  Why the hell do you people know your IQ? That test is a joke, there’s zero rigor to it. The reason it’s meaningless is exactly that, it’s meaningless and you wasted your time. Why one would continue to know or talk about the number is a pretty strong indicator of the previous statement.
  - Spooky23 1y ago
    The specifics of an IQ test aren't super meaningful by itself (that is, a 150 vs a 142 or 157 is not necessarily meaningful), but evaluations that correlate to the IQ correlate to better performance. Because of perceived illegal biases, these evaluations are no longer used in most cases, so we tend to use undergraduate education as a proxy. Places that are exempt from these considerations continue to make successful use of it.
    - naanmon 1y ago
      > we tend to use undergraduate education as a proxy Neither an IQ test nor your grades as an undergraduate correlate to performance in some other setting at some other time. Life is a crapshoot. Plenty of people in Mensa are struggling and so are those that were at the top of class.
      - gmadsen 1y ago
chmod775 1y ago
With at least a few people it's probably you who is much smarter than them. Do you ever find yourself playing dumb with them, for instance when they're chewing through some chain of thought you could complete for them in an instant? Do you ever not chime in on something inconsequential? After all you just might seem like an insufferable smartass to someone you probably want to be liked by. Why hurt interpersonal relationships for little gain? If your colleague is really that bright, I wouldn't be surprised if they're simply careful about how much and when they show it to us common folk.
- jcranmer 1y ago
  Nope. Looking down on someone for being dumber than you makes you, quite frankly, an insufferable smartass.
  - giardini 1y ago
    There's a difference between "looking down on someone for being dumber than you" and "feeling sorry that someone is unable to understand as easily as you".
- torginus 1y ago
  Nah, in my experience 90% of what (middle-aged) super-duper genius people talk about is just regular people stuff - kids, vacations, house renovation, office gossip etc. I don't think they are faking it.
weatherlite 1y ago
He may have dealt with all kinds of weaknesses that A.I won't deal with such as - lack of self confidence, inability to concentrate for long, lack of ambition, boredom, other pursuits etc etc. But what if we can write some while loop with a super strong AGI model that starts working on all of our problems relentlessly? Without getting bored, without losing confidence. Make that one billion super strong AGI models.

Quarrelsome 1y ago

I've always figured that tanglible "intelligence" which leads to more effective decision making is just a better appreciation of one's own stupidity.

ethbr1 1y ago
+1. Being exceptionally intelligent doesn't always catch unknown unknowns. (Sometimes, but not always)
- cgio 1y ago
  That would be an extreme criterion for exceptional intelligence, akin to asking for there to be no unknowns.
  - ethbr1 1y ago
    It's an observation that being smarter in the things you do know isn't everything.
  - Quarrelsome 1y ago
    perhaps the argument is simply that "exceptional intelligence" is just being better at accepting how little you know, and being better at dealing with uncertainty. Both respecting it and attempting to mitigate against it. I find some of the smartest people I know are careful about expressing certainty.

alluro2 1y ago

I'm in the same 150+ group. I really think it doesn't mean much on its own. While I am able to breeze through some things and find some connections sometimes that elude some of the other people, it's not that much different than all the other people doing the same at other occasions. I am still very much average in large majority of every-day activities, held back by childhood experiences, resulting coping mechanisms etc, like we all are. Learning from experience (hopefully not always your own), working well with others, and being able to persevere when things are tough, demotivational or boring, trumps raw intelligence easily, IMO.

fieldcny 1y ago
Why the hell do you people know your IQ? That test is a joke, there’s zero rigor to it. The reason it’s meaningless is exactly that, it’s meaningless and you wasted your time. Why one would continue to know or talk about the number is a pretty strong indicator of the previous statement.
- Spooky23 1y ago
  The specifics of an IQ test aren't super meaningful by itself (that is, a 150 vs a 142 or 157 is not necessarily meaningful), but evaluations that correlate to the IQ correlate to better performance. Because of perceived illegal biases, these evaluations are no longer used in most cases, so we tend to use undergraduate education as a proxy. Places that are exempt from these considerations continue to make successful use of it.
  - naanmon 1y ago
    > we tend to use undergraduate education as a proxy Neither an IQ test nor your grades as an undergraduate correlate to performance in some other setting at some other time. Life is a crapshoot. Plenty of people in Mensa are struggling and so are those that were at the top of class.
    - gmadsen 1y ago

chmod775 1y ago

With at least a few people it's probably you who is much smarter than them. Do you ever find yourself playing dumb with them, for instance when they're chewing through some chain of thought you could complete for them in an instant? Do you ever not chime in on something inconsequential? After all you just might seem like an insufferable smartass to someone you probably want to be liked by. Why hurt interpersonal relationships for little gain? If your colleague is really that bright, I wouldn't be surprised if they're simply careful about how much and when they show it to us common folk.

jcranmer 1y ago
Nope. Looking down on someone for being dumber than you makes you, quite frankly, an insufferable smartass.
- giardini 1y ago
  There's a difference between "looking down on someone for being dumber than you" and "feeling sorry that someone is unable to understand as easily as you".
torginus 1y ago
Nah, in my experience 90% of what (middle-aged) super-duper genius people talk about is just regular people stuff - kids, vacations, house renovation, office gossip etc. I don't think they are faking it.

weatherlite 1y ago

He may have dealt with all kinds of weaknesses that A.I won't deal with such as - lack of self confidence, inability to concentrate for long, lack of ambition, boredom, other pursuits etc etc. But what if we can write some while loop with a super strong AGI model that starts working on all of our problems relentlessly? Without getting bored, without losing confidence. Make that one billion super strong AGI models.