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Previously you could hear what was going on in town - a degree of transparency around police. Now you can’t. For better or worse, eh?
by lazide 1y ago
Previously you could hear what was going on in town - a degree of transparency around police.
Now you can’t. For better or worse, eh?
- tptacek 1y agoYeah, it's complicated! Europe goes the other way on this, apparently, so much so that it's headline news when someone comes up with cryptographic attacks on their police radios. Here, on the other hand, people committing crimes can (or could, a few months ago) just listen on their iPhones to see if anybody is on to them. The City of Chicago makes decrypted audio available, just on a 30 minute delay. That's a sane compromise, I think.
- stevage 1y agoThat's a great compromise.
- jMyles 1y agoAt some point, this needs to turn a corner into real-time resistance, and massive community presence to assist regular people in asserting their rights. A 30-minute delay crushes that.
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- tptacek 1y agoMost communities are far more victimized by property crime than they are by the police. Anti-police activists tend to premise their arguments on the idea that everybody opposes police intervention, but read transcripts of neighborhood meetings in Black neighborhoods: the more common complaint is that the police aren't responding and aren't taking their complaints seriously.
- mulmen 1y agoDoes a 30 minute delay assist the police in preventing or responding to property crime?
- tptacek 1y agoYes? The concern is people committing crimes with the scanner playing waiting to see if the police are on to them. I don't care one way or another, but it's silly to say there's no actual concern there, I think.
- mulmen 1y agoSo the bad guys scope out a Hyundai or whatever and then listen to the scanner for a while until they're confident there are no cops in the area and then steal the car? Is it feasible to call in a distraction and listen for that? I'm not saying there's no concern. I'm just not sure if this 30 min delay is as effective as it sounds at first glance. My gut reaction has been wrong enough times in my life that I have gotten in the habit of challenging my own assumptions.
- lazide 1y agoCriminals generally don’t have that type of impulse control. Ain’t nobody waiting 30 minutes to decide if they’re going to steal a Hyundai.
- twojacobtwo 1y agoYou clearly don't know m/any criminals. They're not all morons hopped on something. Some are cleverer than you would ever want to know about.
- lazide 1y agoSo tell me. What car thief is going to be doing any of this, instead of chucking a piece of broken spark plug through a window and driving off with the car 30 seconds later?
- twojacobtwo 1y agoI think there may be some confusion. The 30 minute delay is just for the release of the decrypted radio stream.
- eru 1y ago> The City of Chicago makes decrypted audio available, just on a 30 minute delay. That's a sane compromise, I think. It sounds sane! Though I wonder if like body cams the decrypted channel will have mysterious malfunctions every so often when anything interesting happens?
- mulmen 1y agoSeems reasonable on the surface. Has anyone ever audited this? Are there gaps in the recordings? If the PD fails to reproduce the recordings what are the consequences?