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Wow. All the conspiracy theories. Im an outsider; i live in Holland. I dont think you americans realize just how paranoid you guys come accross, at times like

by ralfn 14y ago

Wow. All the conspiracy theories. Im an outsider; i live in Holland. I dont think you americans realize just how paranoid you guys come accross, at times like these. From both sides. If you had any distance, you would realize this is the work of a troll, with no political ambition and no secret documents. He is making you all consider the most ridiculus scenarios where the world is filled with people you cant trust, but who are somehow able to collaborate in these large scale conspiracies.

cookingrobot 14y ago
If it makes you feel better, remember that there are far more of us who are reading these threads than commenting. All comments on the internet come from the fringe.
tsotha 14y ago
Well, if you're right, and this is all the work of an internet troll who doesn't actually possess any documents, then those documents won't be released. But if they are released, will you be willing to admit you may have misread the situation?
- ralfn 14y ago
  Sure. I don't know what's really going on. But neither do you. Yet you speculate the worst scenario and start slandering half of your nation. Here in Holland we have a saying, where the literal translation in English would be "The inkeeper trusts his guests after his own character". Meaning that when a person has little faith in people, they are actually afraid that people are as morally corrupted as they themselves are. In general, nice people collaborate more easily. Civilization is the conspiracy of nice people making a nice country. Except it's not a secret. So, when I don't know anything, and you don't know anything, the difference in our assumption, is the difference in our character. Your speculation and slander tells us nothing about reality. It only tells us something about you.
  - tsotha 14y ago
    Or maybe it's just a more informed opinion than one from Holland. Time will tell.
    - ralfn 14y ago
      "informed" does not mean what you think it means, you speculate, and then point and slander a group of people. If you were informed, you would have relevant information, not unsubstaniated accusations. What gives you the right to just publically accusse anybody based on nothing but your prejudices?
      - tsotha 14y ago
        I think the track record of the current administration puts my accusation on pretty solid ground. As I said, the election is in November, so I expect we'll know in four to six weeks.

by ralfn 14y ago

cookingrobot 14y ago

If it makes you feel better, remember that there are far more of us who are reading these threads than commenting. All comments on the internet come from the fringe.

tsotha 14y ago

Well, if you're right, and this is all the work of an internet troll who doesn't actually possess any documents, then those documents won't be released. But if they are released, will you be willing to admit you may have misread the situation?

ralfn 14y ago
Sure. I don't know what's really going on. But neither do you. Yet you speculate the worst scenario and start slandering half of your nation. Here in Holland we have a saying, where the literal translation in English would be "The inkeeper trusts his guests after his own character". Meaning that when a person has little faith in people, they are actually afraid that people are as morally corrupted as they themselves are. In general, nice people collaborate more easily. Civilization is the conspiracy of nice people making a nice country. Except it's not a secret. So, when I don't know anything, and you don't know anything, the difference in our assumption, is the difference in our character. Your speculation and slander tells us nothing about reality. It only tells us something about you.
- tsotha 14y ago
  Or maybe it's just a more informed opinion than one from Holland. Time will tell.
  - ralfn 14y ago
    "informed" does not mean what you think it means, you speculate, and then point and slander a group of people. If you were informed, you would have relevant information, not unsubstaniated accusations. What gives you the right to just publically accusse anybody based on nothing but your prejudices?
    - tsotha 14y ago
      I think the track record of the current administration puts my accusation on pretty solid ground. As I said, the election is in November, so I expect we'll know in four to six weeks.