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Is pizza? Basic pizza is just wheat, mozzarella, and tomato sauce. It's cooked, but I guess cooking is a process.

by garbawarb 1y ago

owebmaster 1y ago
Pizza is processed. Frozen pizza is ultra proccessed
- vjvjvjvjghv 1y ago
  Home made pizza is fine. The frozen stuff is mostly terrible with too much salt, sugar and god knows what else.
cpursley 1y ago
Check what's in the tomato sauce and dough (hint: sugar)
- Milpotel 1y ago
  "Simple" sugar doesn't make it ultra processed, it's the modified starch, glucose syrup, emulsifiers, ...
  - cpursley 1y ago
    Sure, that's what I meant.
- garbawarb 1y ago
  Indeed, adding sugar is a process.
Aurornis 1y ago
> Basic pizza is just wheat, No, it’s flour, which is a heavily processed wheat product. > mozzarella Which is a heavily processed food that differs greatly from the input products. > tomato sauce Also processed. Likely has added sugar. It’s interested to read these conversations and see that the frame of reference has shifted so much that obviously highly processed ingredients aren’t tripping people’s processed food detectors. Then the language used isn’t picking up on the processing (calling it wheat instead of flour).
- a_shovel 1y ago
  Are we counting flour as ultra-processed now? Are we going to have a discussion on the ultra-processed diet of the medieval peasant?
  - Aurornis 1y ago
    My comment said higher processed. The enriched, bleached, white, non whole wheat flour is highly processed. Putting it into bread products with flavor enhancing additives and shelf life enhancing preservatives like you see in the hamburger buns at the store would make it ultra processed. > Are we going to have a discussion on the ultra-processed diet of the medieval peasant? Are you intentionally missing the point? A medieval peasant processing whole wheat into flour and then making a recipe out of it without added sugar and preservatives is a lot less processed than modern white flour production that goes into hyper-palatable foods on the shelf. The average pizza that kids or adults consume is not from fresh, hand-made flour like a medieval peasant. It’s from the industrial process and it generally has flavor enhancing additives (sugar). We’re talking Domino’s pizza for most people, not an artisanal handmade pizza with freshly ground flour.
    - llm_nerd 1y ago
      >It’s from the industrial process and it generally has flavor enhancing additives (sugar). Just had to jump in on this. We have gotten way too accustomed to calling out sugar as a particular villain in stories like this, and it misses the forest for the trees. It makes it easy to think that removing sugar suddenly makes a product healthy. In the same way that we as a society went through that very foolish period where we thought "low fat" made a product healthy. An average pizza dough for a large pizza has about 270g of 00 white flour. 75% of that flour is glucose chained into starches, or about 202g of glucose. The same pizza dough will have around 1.5 tsp of sugar, or about 6g of sucrose. About 3g of that is glucose. So in that pizza dough people will often shriek and point at the 3g of glucose courtesy of the sugar, blind to the fact that the flour added an enormous 202g of glucose. Glucose that will end up as blood glucose extremely rapidly (the body close to instantly cracks starches of refined flours into individual glucose molecules). I've harped on here about this a lot, but sugar is simply not the big problem people think it is, at least relative to many diets where it is absolutely dwarfed by the glucose contribution of simple carbs. And to be extra clear, such a meal is perfectly fine if you're highly active and follow it up by a game of soccer or a hike or some other venture that uses that glucose to feed muscles. But for the average person it's followed by doing nothing, and their already insulin resistant body goes through trials to deal with the flood.

Is pizza? Basic pizza is just wheat, mozzarella, and tomato sauce. It's cooked, but I guess cooking is a process.

owebmaster 1y ago

Pizza is processed. Frozen pizza is ultra proccessed

vjvjvjvjghv 1y ago
Home made pizza is fine. The frozen stuff is mostly terrible with too much salt, sugar and god knows what else.

cpursley 1y ago

Check what's in the tomato sauce and dough (hint: sugar)

Milpotel 1y ago
"Simple" sugar doesn't make it ultra processed, it's the modified starch, glucose syrup, emulsifiers, ...
- cpursley 1y ago
  Sure, that's what I meant.
garbawarb 1y ago
Indeed, adding sugar is a process.

Aurornis 1y ago

> Basic pizza is just wheat, No, it’s flour, which is a heavily processed wheat product. > mozzarella Which is a heavily processed food that differs greatly from the input products. > tomato sauce Also processed. Likely has added sugar. It’s interested to read these conversations and see that the frame of reference has shifted so much that obviously highly processed ingredients aren’t tripping people’s processed food detectors. Then the language used isn’t picking up on the processing (calling it wheat instead of flour).

a_shovel 1y ago
Are we counting flour as ultra-processed now? Are we going to have a discussion on the ultra-processed diet of the medieval peasant?
- Aurornis 1y ago
  My comment said higher processed. The enriched, bleached, white, non whole wheat flour is highly processed. Putting it into bread products with flavor enhancing additives and shelf life enhancing preservatives like you see in the hamburger buns at the store would make it ultra processed. > Are we going to have a discussion on the ultra-processed diet of the medieval peasant? Are you intentionally missing the point? A medieval peasant processing whole wheat into flour and then making a recipe out of it without added sugar and preservatives is a lot less processed than modern white flour production that goes into hyper-palatable foods on the shelf. The average pizza that kids or adults consume is not from fresh, hand-made flour like a medieval peasant. It’s from the industrial process and it generally has flavor enhancing additives (sugar). We’re talking Domino’s pizza for most people, not an artisanal handmade pizza with freshly ground flour.
  - llm_nerd 1y ago
    >It’s from the industrial process and it generally has flavor enhancing additives (sugar). Just had to jump in on this. We have gotten way too accustomed to calling out sugar as a particular villain in stories like this, and it misses the forest for the trees. It makes it easy to think that removing sugar suddenly makes a product healthy. In the same way that we as a society went through that very foolish period where we thought "low fat" made a product healthy. An average pizza dough for a large pizza has about 270g of 00 white flour. 75% of that flour is glucose chained into starches, or about 202g of glucose. The same pizza dough will have around 1.5 tsp of sugar, or about 6g of sucrose. About 3g of that is glucose. So in that pizza dough people will often shriek and point at the 3g of glucose courtesy of the sugar, blind to the fact that the flour added an enormous 202g of glucose. Glucose that will end up as blood glucose extremely rapidly (the body close to instantly cracks starches of refined flours into individual glucose molecules). I've harped on here about this a lot, but sugar is simply not the big problem people think it is, at least relative to many diets where it is absolutely dwarfed by the glucose contribution of simple carbs. And to be extra clear, such a meal is perfectly fine if you're highly active and follow it up by a game of soccer or a hike or some other venture that uses that glucose to feed muscles. But for the average person it's followed by doing nothing, and their already insulin resistant body goes through trials to deal with the flood.