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Strip searching a 13-year-old girl and locking her in a jail cell for a joke? Wow. And they did all this without telling her parents.

7thaccount 1y ago
Absolutely horrifying
bryanrasmussen 1y ago
I remember when in high school in Utah we went on a field trip to a halfway house, for some reason - it was during the time when scared straight was real popular so of course every kid should be scared straight whether they have juvenile offenses or not. It was some sort of law class I think. Anyway they took us to look at the inmates in the halfway house who were behind bars and then they could come out to the bars and as their part of the whole scared straight exercise they would of course yell stuff at us, which was mainly about how they wanted to have sex with the approximately 16 year old girls on the trip. Gosh, Utah sure is a morally upstanding place.
- DonHopkins 1y ago
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- yard2010 1y ago
  This is nefarious.
sofixa 1y ago
A joke which could, out of context, be interpreted to be a threat of violence: > on Thursday we kill all the Mexico’s Especially considering the frequency of violence in American schools, can't really blame the school for jumping to conclusions.
- deleted 1y ago
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- giantg2 1y ago
  "can't really blame the school for jumping to conclusions" Of course you can blame the school. They were too lazy to look at context and determine if the threat was real and credible. They took the determination of a complex tool as an unquestionable fact. The system supplies the fact that the user's account made the comment. All other facts need to be made by investigation. This statement provides a reasonable suspicion to investigate, but should not exhibit probable cause for an arrest as it requires a threat be credible, incite panick, etc per the specific terrorist threat law. This requires investigation and thought.
  - sofixa 1y ago
    > Of course you can blame the school. They were too lazy to look at context and determine if the threat was real and credible Do you think whoever is doing this at the school is a qualified professional, e.g. a child/teen psychiatrist that knows the kid in question well enough, to be able to determine if the threat was real and credible?
    - giantg2 1y ago
      You don't have to be an expert to read the context. In normal terroristic threat cases the people involved are not psychologists. The police aren't using any child psychologists either. The problem here is the brainless reliance on what a system spits outs. The world would have ended by now if we relied on automated systems without using common sense (see multiple ICBM radar false positives during the cold war).
      - jacquesm 1y ago
        Kids saying shit is now equivalent to 'normal terrorist[ic] threat cases'? Or did I miss something. If you can't evaluate the data, don't collect the data.
        giantg2 1y ago
        "Kids saying shit is now equivalent to 'normal terrorist[ic] threat cases'?" It's terroristic threats. That's the law most of the school shooting threats would get charged under. The real problem is that most states have automatic reporting laws, which means you have to report anything that sounds like a threat even if it isn't. This is the main difference between regular cases and school cases - you end up with a lot of junk being reported and potentially causing more harm than it was intended to prevent.
- astura 1y ago
  It's a threat of violence in context as well.
potato3732842 1y ago
They didn't do it because it's reasonable. They did it to send a message. Ain't no different than the health inspector or building commissioner acting way too big for their britches knowing full well there will be no consequences. Look at public schools as just another municipal enforcement department tasked with making sure the kids all meet state standards and it makes sense (or at least to the same extent that all the other indefensible shit done in the name of government makes sense).

7thaccount 1y ago

Absolutely horrifying

bryanrasmussen 1y ago

I remember when in high school in Utah we went on a field trip to a halfway house, for some reason - it was during the time when scared straight was real popular so of course every kid should be scared straight whether they have juvenile offenses or not. It was some sort of law class I think. Anyway they took us to look at the inmates in the halfway house who were behind bars and then they could come out to the bars and as their part of the whole scared straight exercise they would of course yell stuff at us, which was mainly about how they wanted to have sex with the approximately 16 year old girls on the trip. Gosh, Utah sure is a morally upstanding place.

DonHopkins 1y ago
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yard2010 1y ago
This is nefarious.

sofixa 1y ago

A joke which could, out of context, be interpreted to be a threat of violence: > on Thursday we kill all the Mexico’s Especially considering the frequency of violence in American schools, can't really blame the school for jumping to conclusions.

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giantg2 1y ago
"can't really blame the school for jumping to conclusions" Of course you can blame the school. They were too lazy to look at context and determine if the threat was real and credible. They took the determination of a complex tool as an unquestionable fact. The system supplies the fact that the user's account made the comment. All other facts need to be made by investigation. This statement provides a reasonable suspicion to investigate, but should not exhibit probable cause for an arrest as it requires a threat be credible, incite panick, etc per the specific terrorist threat law. This requires investigation and thought.
- sofixa 1y ago
  > Of course you can blame the school. They were too lazy to look at context and determine if the threat was real and credible Do you think whoever is doing this at the school is a qualified professional, e.g. a child/teen psychiatrist that knows the kid in question well enough, to be able to determine if the threat was real and credible?
  - giantg2 1y ago
    You don't have to be an expert to read the context. In normal terroristic threat cases the people involved are not psychologists. The police aren't using any child psychologists either. The problem here is the brainless reliance on what a system spits outs. The world would have ended by now if we relied on automated systems without using common sense (see multiple ICBM radar false positives during the cold war).
    - jacquesm 1y ago
      Kids saying shit is now equivalent to 'normal terrorist[ic] threat cases'? Or did I miss something. If you can't evaluate the data, don't collect the data.
      - giantg2 1y ago
        "Kids saying shit is now equivalent to 'normal terrorist[ic] threat cases'?" It's terroristic threats. That's the law most of the school shooting threats would get charged under. The real problem is that most states have automatic reporting laws, which means you have to report anything that sounds like a threat even if it isn't. This is the main difference between regular cases and school cases - you end up with a lot of junk being reported and potentially causing more harm than it was intended to prevent.
astura 1y ago
It's a threat of violence in context as well.

potato3732842 1y ago

They didn't do it because it's reasonable. They did it to send a message. Ain't no different than the health inspector or building commissioner acting way too big for their britches knowing full well there will be no consequences. Look at public schools as just another municipal enforcement department tasked with making sure the kids all meet state standards and it makes sense (or at least to the same extent that all the other indefensible shit done in the name of government makes sense).