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China asks Israel to lift siege on Gaza, renews push for independent Palestinian

20 points by mhga 1y ago

thowaway7564902 1y ago
China, a true moral exemplar. One of the few supporters of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the only reason the NK regime continues, and all the while carrying out a genocide of their own against the Uyghurs.
- wryoak 1y ago
  So you know when China is telling you to compromise with the world that it’s serious
  - general1726 1y ago
    Or it is just trying to drive a wedge as a response to Trump's attempts to drive a wedge between Russia / China, India
- gaoryrt 1y ago
  I’ve traveled to Xinjiang three times in the past five years — a beautiful and mysterious region. The term “genocide” feels somewhat ridiculous to me.
  - defrost 1y ago
    What word would you use to describe the ongoing persecution? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_Chin... Mass internment for ethnic reasons alone, forced labour, sterilization of women, etc. historically have been used to significantly reduce specific populations in size, which appears to be the game plan of the Chinese government.
    - gaoryrt 1y ago
      I believe people are more inclined to trust what they actually see, so I’d suggest you go there and see for yourself. For me Xinjiang is much safer than Gaza.
jfengel 1y ago
China should offer to send peacekeepers. They aren't closely associated with either side. If Israel attacked the peacekeepers it would be an act of war, against a far superior opponent. And China would take responsibility for ensuring that the Gazans did not attack Israel. Neither side would be happy, but they'd both have means and incentive to maintain a ceasefire. It wouldn't be an open-ended commitment. They'd plan a transition. The US has a history of botching such transitions, but China often has a different take on things. Perhaps they'd be more successful. And it would put them in a good position to broker a two-state solution. That seems more productive than just claiming to support negotiations.
- tguvot 1y ago
  hamas rejects foreign military presence. what will happen when they will attack Chinese ? or what will happen when hamas will start shooting rockets at israel ? (see lebanon/hezbollah/unifil as example)
  - jfengel 1y ago
    When Hamas starts shooting rockets at Israel, and at the Chinese peacekeepers, the Chinese peacekeepers will have to deal with it. Which is basically my way of saying, "Put up or shut up, China." Hamas attacks on Israel are a fact, and any ceasefire requires addressing that. "Just let them shoot you" is not an answer.
    - tguvot 1y ago
      in other words Chinese are expected to put their soldier in situation where they people will be killed ? why would they do it ? (and there is a reason why there is nobody who suggested to step in. even arab countries condition their assistance on removal of hamas)
- rasz 1y ago
  >China should offer to send peacekeepers. China should offer to take refugees. They could home them in hmm Xinjiang?

20 points by mhga 1y ago

China, a true moral exemplar. One of the few supporters of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the only reason the NK regime continues, and all the while carrying out a genocide of their own against the Uyghurs.

wryoak 1y ago
So you know when China is telling you to compromise with the world that it’s serious
- general1726 1y ago
  Or it is just trying to drive a wedge as a response to Trump's attempts to drive a wedge between Russia / China, India
gaoryrt 1y ago
I’ve traveled to Xinjiang three times in the past five years — a beautiful and mysterious region. The term “genocide” feels somewhat ridiculous to me.
- defrost 1y ago
  What word would you use to describe the ongoing persecution? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_Chin... Mass internment for ethnic reasons alone, forced labour, sterilization of women, etc. historically have been used to significantly reduce specific populations in size, which appears to be the game plan of the Chinese government.
  - gaoryrt 1y ago
    I believe people are more inclined to trust what they actually see, so I’d suggest you go there and see for yourself. For me Xinjiang is much safer than Gaza.

jfengel 1y ago

China should offer to send peacekeepers. They aren't closely associated with either side. If Israel attacked the peacekeepers it would be an act of war, against a far superior opponent. And China would take responsibility for ensuring that the Gazans did not attack Israel. Neither side would be happy, but they'd both have means and incentive to maintain a ceasefire. It wouldn't be an open-ended commitment. They'd plan a transition. The US has a history of botching such transitions, but China often has a different take on things. Perhaps they'd be more successful. And it would put them in a good position to broker a two-state solution. That seems more productive than just claiming to support negotiations.

tguvot 1y ago
hamas rejects foreign military presence. what will happen when they will attack Chinese ? or what will happen when hamas will start shooting rockets at israel ? (see lebanon/hezbollah/unifil as example)
- jfengel 1y ago
  When Hamas starts shooting rockets at Israel, and at the Chinese peacekeepers, the Chinese peacekeepers will have to deal with it. Which is basically my way of saying, "Put up or shut up, China." Hamas attacks on Israel are a fact, and any ceasefire requires addressing that. "Just let them shoot you" is not an answer.
  - tguvot 1y ago
    in other words Chinese are expected to put their soldier in situation where they people will be killed ? why would they do it ? (and there is a reason why there is nobody who suggested to step in. even arab countries condition their assistance on removal of hamas)
rasz 1y ago
>China should offer to send peacekeepers. China should offer to take refugees. They could home them in hmm Xinjiang?