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Give the people some Minecraft on steroids and they wouldn't notice how half-century flew by. Or those people of the past who would for generations not leave t

by trhway 1y ago

Give the people some Minecraft on steroids and they wouldn't notice how half-century flew by. Or those people of the past who would for generations not leave their village/county doing the same thing generation after generation.

hermitcrab 1y ago
I think the problems would come in the 2nd generation, who didn't choose to go on the mission.
- silverquiet 1y ago
  Heidegger would say that all humans are thrown into existence and into circumstances that they did not choose. In some sense, we are currently on a large spaceship, and I assume some mission chosen for us by our predecessors.
  - kibwen 1y ago
    "This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
    - mjevans 1y ago
      "Sorry for the inconvenience" -- Hitchhiker's series
- ryandrake 1y ago
  To be fair, no human born on our current Earthship asked to go on our current mission.
  - fragmede 1y ago
    What's our current mission? "Keep society running" and "don't fuck up the planet" don't seem to be going super well, but that's just my cynicism talking. I need a nap.
- trhway 1y ago
  I think we even today have enough propaganda and religion experience to make sure that the next generations would be happy to see themselves as the chosen ones, etc. (small case in point - back in USSR we were happy that we were born in that wonderful country USSR and not in those decadent dangerous inhumane capitalist societies of the West where people were forced to struggle everyday to avoid becoming one of those numerous hungry homeless filling to the brim the dirty decaying cities of the West which they were showing us on the Soviet TV while we were supposedly on a mission to build better/higher/ideal society consisting of a new better entity "Soviet man" - "The Soviet man was to be selfless, learned, healthy, muscular, and enthusiastic in spreading the communist Revolution." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Soviet_man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Soviet_man - note how the first 4 qualities work for interstellar, and they are pretty common among various other ideologies and religions, and the specific target for the 5th - for the enthusiasm - is just adjusted according the specific ideology or religion, and "spreading human civilization" wouldn't be even half-bad like some others out there)
  - m4rtink 1y ago
    Um, did anyone actually believe that in practice ? Of course, if you asked them, they would say so, to 105 socialistic percent, comrade! Bur personal and in private, it was very different.
    - trhway 1y ago
      Of course the religious fervor of the first post-Revolution years wasn't there say in 197x, yet so many people in Russia have during the last 30+ years been wanting back to USSR. The propaganda shapes your brain, especially if they hit you while you're young. >But personal and in private, it was very different. Deep down unfortunately the ex-Soviet people, me included, are damaged goods :)
- AngryData 1y ago
  Provided the first generation volunteered, I expect the second generation would still be indoctrinate enough to the idea and mission to be fine, but the third generation would definitely be stirring some shit up.
  - Ekaros 1y ago
    Change the programming and go back. I wonder what reaction back here would be...
    - m4rtink 1y ago
      Not really possible for many mission profiles (e.g. if using target system star for braking or pre-programmed beamed propulsion) - so often that would not be an issue. ;-)
  - olddustytrail 1y ago
    Not really. That would just be the way life is to those people. Showing them videos of how people lived on a planet would be like asking them to imagine how a caveman lived. If they did rebel it would probably be more along the lines of reaching the target inhabitable planet and refusing to leave the ship. Just grab enough material to set a new course for the next one and keep going. The next set of rebels would be the ones who actually fulfilled the mission.
    - m4rtink 1y ago
      Living on a ball of rock with no climate controll ? Are you insane ? Do what you want, I'll go back to building that new custom Stanford Torus we just got started last cycle. And don't call for help when it inevitably starts raining!
- m4rtink 1y ago
  So you just make it so they don't notice they are on an interstellar mission - sorry, to board the train to the capital you still need to fill in form XB1, but the officer who can fill it is on vacation (in the capital and the trains totally go somewhere!) - please come next cycle. Basically an unhollo combination of Kafka and Truman show, keeping the community stable until arrival. :)

by trhway 1y ago

hermitcrab 1y ago

I think the problems would come in the 2nd generation, who didn't choose to go on the mission.

silverquiet 1y ago
Heidegger would say that all humans are thrown into existence and into circumstances that they did not choose. In some sense, we are currently on a large spaceship, and I assume some mission chosen for us by our predecessors.
- kibwen 1y ago
  "This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."
  - mjevans 1y ago
    "Sorry for the inconvenience" -- Hitchhiker's series
ryandrake 1y ago
To be fair, no human born on our current Earthship asked to go on our current mission.
- fragmede 1y ago
  What's our current mission? "Keep society running" and "don't fuck up the planet" don't seem to be going super well, but that's just my cynicism talking. I need a nap.
trhway 1y ago
I think we even today have enough propaganda and religion experience to make sure that the next generations would be happy to see themselves as the chosen ones, etc. (small case in point - back in USSR we were happy that we were born in that wonderful country USSR and not in those decadent dangerous inhumane capitalist societies of the West where people were forced to struggle everyday to avoid becoming one of those numerous hungry homeless filling to the brim the dirty decaying cities of the West which they were showing us on the Soviet TV while we were supposedly on a mission to build better/higher/ideal society consisting of a new better entity "Soviet man" - "The Soviet man was to be selfless, learned, healthy, muscular, and enthusiastic in spreading the communist Revolution." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Soviet_man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Soviet_man - note how the first 4 qualities work for interstellar, and they are pretty common among various other ideologies and religions, and the specific target for the 5th - for the enthusiasm - is just adjusted according the specific ideology or religion, and "spreading human civilization" wouldn't be even half-bad like some others out there)
- m4rtink 1y ago
  Um, did anyone actually believe that in practice ? Of course, if you asked them, they would say so, to 105 socialistic percent, comrade! Bur personal and in private, it was very different.
  - trhway 1y ago
    Of course the religious fervor of the first post-Revolution years wasn't there say in 197x, yet so many people in Russia have during the last 30+ years been wanting back to USSR. The propaganda shapes your brain, especially if they hit you while you're young. >But personal and in private, it was very different. Deep down unfortunately the ex-Soviet people, me included, are damaged goods :)
AngryData 1y ago
Provided the first generation volunteered, I expect the second generation would still be indoctrinate enough to the idea and mission to be fine, but the third generation would definitely be stirring some shit up.
- Ekaros 1y ago
  Change the programming and go back. I wonder what reaction back here would be...
  - m4rtink 1y ago
    Not really possible for many mission profiles (e.g. if using target system star for braking or pre-programmed beamed propulsion) - so often that would not be an issue. ;-)
- olddustytrail 1y ago
  Not really. That would just be the way life is to those people. Showing them videos of how people lived on a planet would be like asking them to imagine how a caveman lived. If they did rebel it would probably be more along the lines of reaching the target inhabitable planet and refusing to leave the ship. Just grab enough material to set a new course for the next one and keep going. The next set of rebels would be the ones who actually fulfilled the mission.
  - m4rtink 1y ago
    Living on a ball of rock with no climate controll ? Are you insane ? Do what you want, I'll go back to building that new custom Stanford Torus we just got started last cycle. And don't call for help when it inevitably starts raining!
m4rtink 1y ago
So you just make it so they don't notice they are on an interstellar mission - sorry, to board the train to the capital you still need to fill in form XB1, but the officer who can fill it is on vacation (in the capital and the trains totally go somewhere!) - please come next cycle. Basically an unhollo combination of Kafka and Truman show, keeping the community stable until arrival. :)