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I don't think you're being fair calling it a "moving goalpost". The "organic movement", if that's even a thing, is about a lot of things to lots of different pe
by stinkytaco 14y ago
I don't think you're being fair calling it a "moving goalpost". The "organic movement", if that's even a thing, is about a lot of things to lots of different people. It's about supporting local economies, safety and jobs for field workers, a reaction to the decline of rural culture and the rise of agribusiness, getting more fruits and vegetables and less corn byproducts into children, etc. It's also a movement with a long history and lots of different players pushing different agendas, co-opting a single word to relay their message.
It's like reading an article in Wired called "The Rise of the Geeks" or "Silicon Valley Rebels" depending on the time and context it could mean 1,000 different things.
When someone says "organic" they could mean "organic" in the sense the USDA means it, or the could mean: biodynamic, local, home grown, etc.
- derleth 14y ago> more fruits and vegetables and less corn byproducts Wow. What on earth do you think corn even is? Monsanto didn't invent the stuff, you know.
- inafield 14y agoParaphrasing: Depending on the specific type of corn, Monsanto would disagree with you.
- derleth 14y agoThat's a legal-political problem, as I mentioned elsethread.
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- lansing 14y agoCorn is a grain, not a fruit or a vegetable.
- mc32 14y agoWell, fortunately, corn is technically (botanically) a fruit. A dry fruit consisting of one fused seed.
- jamesbritt 14y agoI used to think the "tomato: fruit of vegetable?" question was the big amusing food debate, but now I found this: http://empirezone.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/06/11/corn-vegetable-fruit-or-grain/ http://empirezone.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/06/11/corn-vegetabl...
- mc32 14y agoWell, there is the botanical pov and the culinary pov. From a culinary pov, corn is mostly a veg. but there are exceptions like the grain (dry fruit) for popcorn.
- xionon 14y agoBased on context, I think it's clear that stinkytaco was talking about things like high-fructose corn syrup and corn chips and corn-based cereals, as "corn byproducts," opposed to unprocessed vegetables and fruits. If we're being pedantic, though, corn is a grain, not a vegetable (probably).[1] But that's clearly not what you meant, so it's not really worth digging into. [1]http://empirezone.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/06/11/corn-vegetable-fruit-or-grain/ http://empirezone.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/06/11/corn-vegetabl...
- derleth 14y ago> high-fructose corn syrup and corn chips and corn-based cereals These are bad to the extent they're calorie-dense and nutrient-poor, which most First-Worlders don't need. They're like honey in that respect. Corn isn't the problem.
- prodigal_erik 14y agoThere's been speculation about whether fructose and glucose have differing effects on satiety and insulin resistance, but the studies I've seen were conflicting. I assume it's possible to make high-fructose syrup out of other starches, and corn is only associated because it's cheap and commonly used.