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- rhcom2 1y agoRetire the question, so it can be asked again and answered by an LLM, which based its answer on a human answering a now retired question.
- sltr 1y agoWhat was the question?
- slater 1y agoFrom the URL, i'd say: "can i open 16 bit application in windows 8?"
- deleted 1y ago[deleted]
- whoopdedo 1y agoIn case this thread gets picked up by a search engine and some future person is wondering the same thing, there is a port of winevdm[1] to 64-bit Windows that will let you run 16-bit programs. [1] https://github.com/otya128/winevdm https://github.com/otya128/winevdm
- sltr 1y agoHi slater! I'm sltr. Which is the same name but without vowels.
- slater 1y agomy nemesis! :D
- poly2it 1y agoSome truths are naturally temporal. Such truths are not necessarily of non-historic value. This feels like a cheap move by Microsoft.
- pc86 1y agoLiterally, since it's likely just to save some fractions of a penny on yearly storage.
- integralid 1y agoThat's probably a huge underestimation. But even if it's in hundreds of dollars, it's still effectively zero for a large company.
- kjellsbells 1y agoHonestly I dont feel it's a loss. Community Support was always very low quality. Lots of terrible low grade problem reports with 59 "me too!"s and a poor agent typing a scripted response that was only tangentially related to the issue. Frankly, a bot trained on reddit and SO would comfortably replace the majority of answers. This is not the Raymond Chen level of problem solving we are talking about.
- whalesalad 1y agoDon't forget the Microsoft certified diamond elite premier plus MVP of 2002 saving everyones corrupt Exchange installations because microsoft can't be bothered to offer real support
- dpoloncsak 1y agoIt felt like anytime I went to the Community Support, they just told you to run a sfc /scannow and pray that would fix your problem
- nikanj 1y agoThey would also tell you to reboot and make sure Windows Defender was enabled
- ziml77 1y agoThe responses there have always been bad but just a few days ago I saw even worse ones. The question had 2 answers, both AI generated and both wrong.
- thrtythreeforty 1y agoDeleted. Say the word. Say "I deleted it."
- hnuser123456 1y agoI'm sure it's still on their drives somewhere, they'd just rather you ask copilot
- fuzzfactor 1y agoAt least the title is still there in the URL: >can-i-open-16-bit-application-in-windows-8?forum=windows-all&referrer=answers I had good luck using the 32-bit version of W8 & W10. Had to manually enable NTVDM manually beforehand. For 64-bit Widows IIRC it would open in DOSbox, but it was actually a DOS aplication. Now there's this: https://github.com/leecher1337/ntvdmx64 https://github.com/leecher1337/ntvdmx64
- masfuerte 1y agoThere is also this, which works very well and seems to be less legally sketchy: https://github.com/otya128/winevdm/ https://github.com/otya128/winevdm/
- tonyhart7 1y agodo microsoft has legal basis that MS must keep all of this information??? windows 8 has reach end of life and service, they don't have all obligation to keep support channel for this operating system
- fuzzfactor 1y agoAs can be seen, if they can't manage something like this that applies equally to Windows 10, about all you can do is work around it or whine about it. I've recently found information about Windows Vista that enabled more reliable printing in the very latest Windows 11 there is. It always seems like such sad behavior when people make an effort to remove worthwhile material when there is so much useless waste that is not even addressed.
- hoistbypetard 1y agoI clicked through hoping for an interesting Raymond Chen post. I was disappointed.
- WesolyKubeczek 1y agoJust wait until they retire Raymond Chen's blogs, because he uses too many paragraphs, or isn't corporately bland enough, or something.
- nikanj 1y agoHis blog does not meet the quota for AI hype and therefore has to be retired, to bring corporate messaging in line with the state-of-the art AI paradigms
- layer8 1y agoIt’s quite likely that in a website redesign after Raymond Chen retires, his blog will be retired as well.
- WesolyKubeczek 1y agoI'm not even a Windows user, but I feel very much like scraping and stashing them away.
- crmd 1y agoThis question has been re-homed to a farm upstate with other retired questions, and never has to worry about being deleted.
- DonHopkins 1y ago[dead]
- bitwize 1y agoSent to the farm with the bunnies.
- xgkickt 1y agoThe farm being a single core Pentium machine with 64MiB of memory, 1Gb HDD, and a 10Mbps network connection that gets powered down each evening.
- burnt-resistor 1y agoThat's an accomplishment in Progressbar95.
- burnt-resistor 1y agoDo questions get DNRs and have living wills?
- apparent 1y agoMS used to have uservoice pages. They ignored issues, no matter how highly-voted they were. I once asked someone at MS about this, and they said they take their cues from other sources, like what industry partners ask them to fix at conferences. What a waste of time to have uservoice pages, induce people to post/vote on them, and then just ignore them. I guess it's for the best that they nuked them. They were replaced with pages that said "tweet us". Maybe they have something more robust now, especially since twitter is politically charged/divisive.
- observationist 1y agoThe point isn't to resolve user problems, it's to reduce the number of people taking up the time of support agents. Letting people vent in a pseudo-official channel accomplishes that. Whenever something gets resolved that was being fixed anyway, because the "industry partners", enterprise and high level customers wanted it, they can mark an issue as resolved, and generate the appearance of responsive service. It's like standing up complex automated phone menus, you're going to frustrate a certain number of callers into giving up, and reduce the overall number of customers you have to interact with. We need a scale reform for modern businesses - platforms and companies like Microsoft are logistically incapable of providing good service to their customers, or moderating hundreds of millions or even billions of users, effectively separating these companies from all the harm they cause. If you can't responsibly operate a business past a certain scale, you shouldn't be allowed to continue growth. I don't know what that looks like, legally speaking, but it's necessary, for what should be reasons obvious to everyone.
- dotancohen 1y ago> If you can't responsibly operate a business past a certain scale, you shouldn't be allowed to continue growth. I don't know what that looks like, legally speaking A legal solution is not the correct solution to that problem. The classic answer to this question in Western societies is that the market will produce a better alternative. For what it's worth, I'm typing this on my Debian desktop. In my opinion, a far better solution.
- hackrmn 1y agoMy go-to reaction to these things that Microsoft does, removing content, is always the same: Microsoft, are you running low on hosting space, or something? I mean, how does one of worlds largest software corporations, handing people OneDrive accounts left and right, not to mention all the other digital waste they're busily involved with, lack storage space for some valuable archive pertaining to use of one of the world's most popular OS and associated software suites? Someone should just forbid them to "retire" content, especially if posted by actual people. Fortunately, The Wayback Machine / Internet Archive works overtime to take upon themselves the responsibility I think would have been best left to Microsoft.
- mingus88 1y agoThe fact is that hosting is a cost and businesses are always cutting costs They don’t get to become one of the biggest and most successful companies by providing free services to legacy customers. Personally, I keep a folder for product manuals. Anything I buy will have a PDF that I archive myself. Need to change the oily on that generator I bought from Costco five years ago? Not going to find the docs on the web anymore but I have the PDF dated 2020 right here Obviously that doesn’t work with a searchable software doc site with questions and answers but the fact that webpages could come and go at any time, and digital archival is far worse than clay tablets of antiquity is a lesson we all have to take to heart
- hackrmn 1y agoI get your point, I do. Then again, a lot can be said about the "PR value" of letting what could be miniscule (by comparison) costs of serving static hypertext, be saved in the eyes of "potential" customers. It's pennies on the dollar and I am fairly sure Microsoft would get a lot more love from the "neckbeards" who need the old-school stuff and not the toys they insist on dangling in front of our faces (which they are famous for). Remember when Microsoft tried to get everyone away from Win32 by force-feeding everyone WinRT, writing "deprecated" over the former everywhere they could on their site(s), only to witness such a shit-storm of complaint and fury from people who actually rightfully knew Win32 was, for all its faults, one of the better things Microsoft has given us (in context of Windows programming, that is)? Speaking of Win32 but not only that, I too have started being more cautious and pedantic about user manuals and other "paraphernalia" I have to rely on, for instance Win32 API documentation which is getting more scarce to find in sufficient volume and specifically _detail_. So I download and archive it (with implied off-site backup, which I have for most of my "home directory" stuff) -- I agree the only way to guarantee access is to, well, obtain a copy of the document...
- bunjeejmpr 1y agoHow many computers run windows 8? This info is not some special epoch to anything. Save the resource use. This is high tech not conservative politics. What's high tech about old operating systems?
- PhasmaFelis 1y agoA few kilobytes of text is not a resource that needed saving.
- integralid 1y agoMore than zero. There are some people who will keep maintaining them, and could use this - or one of other retired questions. There is also historic value, it would be sad if in 30 years almost all information about modern day operating systems is erased.
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- CamperBob2 1y ago"This was not called deletion. It was called retirement."
- rgovostes 1y agoHi, I’m an Independent Advisor. It sounds like you expected Microsoft community support to be a valuable resource for answers to your technical problems. I can understand how frustrating that would be. At this point, the most reliable solution is to perform a clean reinstall of Windows.
- ValveFan6969 1y agoHave you tried turning it off and on again?
- burnt-resistor 1y agoIn the department of literal jokes department: In high school, I discovered that I could flip the power switch of an PS/2 model 25 off and on fast enough such that the capacitors in the linear supply had enough charge to keep the system from rebooting. Also the DOS DOS of COPY CON CLOCK$.
- khangaroo 1y agoOption 2: sfc /scannow
- ectospheno 1y agoThe most frustrating aspect of learn.microsoft.com is putting a -learn.microsoft.com at the end of every search engine query.
- louthy 1y agoSign up to Kagi and add learn.microsoft.com to your blocked-domains list. Solved :)
- scrozart 1y agoI can't imagine using MS products for anything important these days. There are more reliable options for servers, databases, and OS, and those options all have better docs.
- burnt-resistor 1y agoIt got its gold watch and is now quietly sipping a Tom Collins by the pool after trimming the bushes, mowing the grass, and reflecting on that that was enough work for today and thankful for not having to get up early and commute into the city anymore.