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The internet will interpret ID checks as damage and route around it.

by anonfordays 1y ago

betaby 1y ago
How? Please explain in technical details.
- vorpalhex 1y ago
  Other sites that don't oblige the rules will come up and gain traffic. If those sites gain ire from the UK then they will migrate or be replaced. See OnlyFans et al where the alternatives have slowly been taking over as OnlyFans is forced to become ever more restrictive. Technically multiple tools are available from poor IP blocking that technically meets the requirement (eg malicious compliance) to tools like ohttp where the origin is unaware of the customers location and can claim genuine surprise. This is basically a repeat of the UK PirateRadio. Either there's about to be a PornBBC (heh) or users and sites will migrate around ofcom.
  - TimorousBestie 1y ago
    > PornBBC Well, that’s absolutely begging for some domain squatting.
- rolph 1y ago
  the internet is not your browser, or the WWW. the internet is a connectivity resource that is simply about exchanging data. those who can work beyond the web browser have thier options, let the web fail is one of them. The web can be worked around in much the same way it is now, but advancing tech for peer to peer hosting of localized blogs/sites, whiteboards, and indexes of like peers, strong development of IP8 like protocols, is an other.
  - betaby 1y ago
    I don't buy that. History shows that's not happening. We have fewer independent sites now than we had 20 years ago. Developed countries like UK factually criminalized running forums. 'the internet is a connectivity resource' is less and less true given that sites getting blocked by DPI, DNS and on raw L3 IP addresses by countries like Spain, Italy and many other.
    - pessimizer 1y ago
      Also, there used to be 10000 ISPs and you'd literally know the the first names of the people who did customer service at yours. Now, like everything in modern capitalism, there are like five. The government can just turn off the internet for you personally by making a few calls. They could make you show digital id before every access. They could make in a felony to provide internet to somebody on the proscribed list. They could just make a few grants dependent on it, and never make it a law. People who think the internet is magical have Marvel-movie brain. I'm wondering whether we're going to station troops in fabs to make sure no chips leave that haven't been backdoored, or whether we'll have to register hard drives with the state (with sniffer dogs looking for violations.) Tor isn't going to save us. Tor is a US Navy project. If Tor and bitcoin weren't useful for the government themselves to do secret communications and money transfers, they could just announce (again) that crypto is terrorism, and shoot people who get caught running exit nodes or mining. Once in the US, every piece of mail with a book in it was opened, and the book checked to see if it was on a banned list or looked like it should be. They were primarily concerned about birth control information and dirty literature with too many double entendres. Do we really think that no hypothetical future US government would do that over trans, Israel, Russia, Russia, Russia or China? We've done it to keep people from wearing condoms. Still shocks me that the big cases that broke US censorship in literature were in the mid-60s. Miller's Tropic of Cancer still had the potential to put you in jail in 1965. And people are like "it's literally impossible to keep me from pirating anime." They can turn off your bank account.
      - salawat 1y ago
        >They can turn off your bank account. Ding ding ding. And you can't disintermediate without becoming a felon.
- riffic 1y ago
  The idiom is a reference / alludes to a quote (originally John Gilmore, "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it"), and should have been noted as one: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Gilmore https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Gilmore
- ActorNightly 1y ago
  For porn, AI porn is clearly going to be the winner. 4chan has been on this full steam, with guides on how to create it. For games, piracy is going to be huge again. For sites, externally hosted websites will gain more traffic.
  - dt3ft 1y ago
    The dark web is about to gain a whole lot more users.

The internet will interpret ID checks as damage and route around it.

betaby 1y ago

How? Please explain in technical details.

vorpalhex 1y ago
Other sites that don't oblige the rules will come up and gain traffic. If those sites gain ire from the UK then they will migrate or be replaced. See OnlyFans et al where the alternatives have slowly been taking over as OnlyFans is forced to become ever more restrictive. Technically multiple tools are available from poor IP blocking that technically meets the requirement (eg malicious compliance) to tools like ohttp where the origin is unaware of the customers location and can claim genuine surprise. This is basically a repeat of the UK PirateRadio. Either there's about to be a PornBBC (heh) or users and sites will migrate around ofcom.
- TimorousBestie 1y ago
  > PornBBC Well, that’s absolutely begging for some domain squatting.
rolph 1y ago
the internet is not your browser, or the WWW. the internet is a connectivity resource that is simply about exchanging data. those who can work beyond the web browser have thier options, let the web fail is one of them. The web can be worked around in much the same way it is now, but advancing tech for peer to peer hosting of localized blogs/sites, whiteboards, and indexes of like peers, strong development of IP8 like protocols, is an other.
- betaby 1y ago
  I don't buy that. History shows that's not happening. We have fewer independent sites now than we had 20 years ago. Developed countries like UK factually criminalized running forums. 'the internet is a connectivity resource' is less and less true given that sites getting blocked by DPI, DNS and on raw L3 IP addresses by countries like Spain, Italy and many other.
  - pessimizer 1y ago
    Also, there used to be 10000 ISPs and you'd literally know the the first names of the people who did customer service at yours. Now, like everything in modern capitalism, there are like five. The government can just turn off the internet for you personally by making a few calls. They could make you show digital id before every access. They could make in a felony to provide internet to somebody on the proscribed list. They could just make a few grants dependent on it, and never make it a law. People who think the internet is magical have Marvel-movie brain. I'm wondering whether we're going to station troops in fabs to make sure no chips leave that haven't been backdoored, or whether we'll have to register hard drives with the state (with sniffer dogs looking for violations.) Tor isn't going to save us. Tor is a US Navy project. If Tor and bitcoin weren't useful for the government themselves to do secret communications and money transfers, they could just announce (again) that crypto is terrorism, and shoot people who get caught running exit nodes or mining. Once in the US, every piece of mail with a book in it was opened, and the book checked to see if it was on a banned list or looked like it should be. They were primarily concerned about birth control information and dirty literature with too many double entendres. Do we really think that no hypothetical future US government would do that over trans, Israel, Russia, Russia, Russia or China? We've done it to keep people from wearing condoms. Still shocks me that the big cases that broke US censorship in literature were in the mid-60s. Miller's Tropic of Cancer still had the potential to put you in jail in 1965. And people are like "it's literally impossible to keep me from pirating anime." They can turn off your bank account.
    - salawat 1y ago
      >They can turn off your bank account. Ding ding ding. And you can't disintermediate without becoming a felon.
riffic 1y ago
The idiom is a reference / alludes to a quote (originally John Gilmore, "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it"), and should have been noted as one: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Gilmore https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Gilmore
ActorNightly 1y ago
For porn, AI porn is clearly going to be the winner. 4chan has been on this full steam, with guides on how to create it. For games, piracy is going to be huge again. For sites, externally hosted websites will gain more traffic.
- dt3ft 1y ago
  The dark web is about to gain a whole lot more users.