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It's a bit odd that the deletion starts midway through section 8. In a perfect world I'd first assume a software bug, then an accident, then incompetency. In

It's a bit odd that the deletion starts midway through section 8. In a perfect world I'd first assume a software bug, then an accident, then incompetency. In the current political climate, … I don't even know what to think.

mmastrac 1y ago
It's an interesting chunk to remove. Some highlights: The President could command the armed forces without statutory limits. The Writ of Habeas Corpus could be suspended at any time, even without rebellion or invasion. Congress would no longer have exclusive legislative control over Washington, D.C. or military installations. The executive could spend from the Treasury without congressional approval. The executive branch could favour certain ports or states in commerce, allowing economic favouritism, punishing or rewarding states. The federal government might override state-level agreements without needing to respect boundaries. Congress would lose its broad enabling clause to legislate on powers not explicitly listed elsewhere. The funny part: this means that states could create their own militaries, treaties, or currencies. So in theory that would grant the power for a far-more-independent California state that would have an easier time seceding.
- mindslight 1y ago
  > The funny part: this means that states could create their own militaries, treaties, or currencies. So in theory that would grant the power for a far-more-independent California state that would have an easier time seceding. This is getting mentioned like it would be some downside in the traditional red vs blue paradigm, but if you view this through the lens where this administration is working to break up the United States, it's right on brand. Any such military development would also serve as grounds for escalation, and as we've already seen the actual laws don't matter but rather it's all about how they can manage public opinion through sensationalist trolling. California delenda est has been a rallying cry for decades now, so I wouldn't assume one instance of the National Guard being deployed against the People is going to be the end of it.
- rsynnott 1y ago
  > this means that states could create their own militaries, treaties, or currencies. Also issue letters of marque!
  - eqvinox 1y ago
    Of course! Those are great to give to all the AI crawlers sued for intellectual rights piracy. A letter of marque is for piracy after all...
- tptacek 1y ago
  Nobody removed anything from the Constitution. Someone removed a chunk of a website about the Constitution. Rhode Island doesn't get to form its own Navy now, sorry.
AlexandrB 1y ago
What about the "current political climate" is exceptional compared to - for example - the jingoistic garbage we got in 2002? Just look at the crap we were being fed back then to convince us to go to war: https://lukebennett13.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/6a011279022a6e28a4017ee83b86d8970d.gif https://lukebennett13.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/...
- eqvinox 1y ago
  I'm sorry but it appears our world perceptions are sufficiently misaligned to make discourse difficult and HN comments aren't a reasonable place to work through such a misalignment. (= I can't easily rationalize a view that doesn't see the current state as exceptional.)
- ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
  I believe this is the only time that a convicted felon and rapist has become president of the USA.
BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago
I think it’s a little wink wink to the base. They do cute shit like that every now and then.
- panarchy 1y ago
  Yup "It's just a software bug! Don't be dramatic!" Yeah. A software bug that just happens to cover the part of the constitution the current administration has been criticized over violating and other parts that just happen to be in line with the war (like "war on drugs"-- well until it potentially escalates) on the blue states they've been alluding to? As if the current regime wouldn't be so blatant as to point to a website version of the constitution and then go "See it's not in the constitution. We did nothing wrong, all the media outlets reporting the constitution has been illegally altered are spreading fake news." Then there will be a flurry of articles "Trump is in shock at what people are saying he did" for two weeks and then the next disaster will have arrived where the same fanfare will be repeated and nothing will actually be done.

mmastrac 1y ago

It's an interesting chunk to remove. Some highlights: The President could command the armed forces without statutory limits. The Writ of Habeas Corpus could be suspended at any time, even without rebellion or invasion. Congress would no longer have exclusive legislative control over Washington, D.C. or military installations. The executive could spend from the Treasury without congressional approval. The executive branch could favour certain ports or states in commerce, allowing economic favouritism, punishing or rewarding states. The federal government might override state-level agreements without needing to respect boundaries. Congress would lose its broad enabling clause to legislate on powers not explicitly listed elsewhere. The funny part: this means that states could create their own militaries, treaties, or currencies. So in theory that would grant the power for a far-more-independent California state that would have an easier time seceding.

mindslight 1y ago
> The funny part: this means that states could create their own militaries, treaties, or currencies. So in theory that would grant the power for a far-more-independent California state that would have an easier time seceding. This is getting mentioned like it would be some downside in the traditional red vs blue paradigm, but if you view this through the lens where this administration is working to break up the United States, it's right on brand. Any such military development would also serve as grounds for escalation, and as we've already seen the actual laws don't matter but rather it's all about how they can manage public opinion through sensationalist trolling. California delenda est has been a rallying cry for decades now, so I wouldn't assume one instance of the National Guard being deployed against the People is going to be the end of it.
rsynnott 1y ago
> this means that states could create their own militaries, treaties, or currencies. Also issue letters of marque!
- eqvinox 1y ago
  Of course! Those are great to give to all the AI crawlers sued for intellectual rights piracy. A letter of marque is for piracy after all...
tptacek 1y ago
Nobody removed anything from the Constitution. Someone removed a chunk of a website about the Constitution. Rhode Island doesn't get to form its own Navy now, sorry.

AlexandrB 1y ago

What about the "current political climate" is exceptional compared to - for example - the jingoistic garbage we got in 2002? Just look at the crap we were being fed back then to convince us to go to war: https://lukebennett13.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/6a011279022a6e28a4017ee83b86d8970d.gif https://lukebennett13.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/...

eqvinox 1y ago
I'm sorry but it appears our world perceptions are sufficiently misaligned to make discourse difficult and HN comments aren't a reasonable place to work through such a misalignment. (= I can't easily rationalize a view that doesn't see the current state as exceptional.)
ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
I believe this is the only time that a convicted felon and rapist has become president of the USA.

BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago

I think it’s a little wink wink to the base. They do cute shit like that every now and then.

panarchy 1y ago
Yup "It's just a software bug! Don't be dramatic!" Yeah. A software bug that just happens to cover the part of the constitution the current administration has been criticized over violating and other parts that just happen to be in line with the war (like "war on drugs"-- well until it potentially escalates) on the blue states they've been alluding to? As if the current regime wouldn't be so blatant as to point to a website version of the constitution and then go "See it's not in the constitution. We did nothing wrong, all the media outlets reporting the constitution has been illegally altered are spreading fake news." Then there will be a flurry of articles "Trump is in shock at what people are saying he did" for two weeks and then the next disaster will have arrived where the same fanfare will be repeated and nothing will actually be done.