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> We engineers understand that LLMs are products under development. They only work correctly under certain circumstances Looking around me, engineers do not un

by watwut 1y ago

> We engineers understand that LLMs are products under development. They only work correctly under certain circumstances Looking around me, engineers do not understand that. Instead, they have exactly same overblown expectations and actively push for LLM everywhere. They will call you ludite if you say anything else.

ACCount36 1y ago
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ozgung 1y ago
That's also because of seeing them as technology under development. The overblown expectations are because of their potential in the future. The glass is half full today. It was almost empty just a few years ago. The water level is rising with an unprecedented rate. But we shouldn't forget it's still half empty right now. More importantly, we are bad at predicting how actual people use the technology.
no_wizard 1y ago
Wear that Luddite badge with honor. They were not anti technology[0], they fought for worker rights during an age of rapid rise of new technology. [0]: https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/rethinking-the-luddites-in-the-age-of-ai https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/rethinking-the-l...
- ACCount36 1y ago
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  - deadbabe 1y ago
    Progress crushes you whether you are a Luddite or not.
  - GJim 1y ago
    > Luddites were idiots. They thought they could stand in the way of progress. Ummmm. No. The luddites were not opposed to progress or new machinery. The luddites called for unemployment compensation and retraining for workers *displaced* by the new machinery (machinery they sometimes helped build!). This probably makes them amongst the most progressive people of the 1800's.
  - sensanaty 1y ago
    Luddites weren't crushed by progress, they were crushed by an armed militia backed by the government. 12,000 militia and yeomanry units, in fact. Knowing how most of the AI fanatics are like though, doesn't surprise me they're on the side of the boot rather than on the side of the people getting crushed by said boot. Also, what's the definition and point of "progress" to you? Because the way AI is shaking out to me screams the opposite of what I'd expect progress to look like. Assuming the likes of Altman (an individual who wants to harvest your biometric data for a scam shitcoin, by the way) can be believed and we indeed reach the singularity or AGI or whatever, is everyone except for the C-level (who is somehow magically exempt from the negative effects of this progress and irreplaceable somehow) losing their livelihoods and getting crushed under the boot of the wealthy and powerful "progress", in your eyes?
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    - ACCount36 1y ago
      If you think that the prospect of "job loss" would, or should, stop progress, you're delusional. There are reasons to slow AI progress down, but "think of all the jobs" certainly isn't one.
      - dttze 1y ago
        You didn’t answer his question about what you define progress as.
      - sensanaty 1y ago
        > you're delusional Am I? I'm saying this is what's going to happen (if people like Altman are correct), same as how the Luddites knew exactly what was going on. I'm not denying that we're not likely to stop AI development even if everyone loses their jobs, I'm saying that it's not what my vision of progress looks like. You also conveniently left out the part I mentioned about those jobless people getting crushed by powerful boots and focused solely on what I said about job loss. And again I'll ask, what exactly does "progress" mean for you? What world are we heading towards that counts as positive progress in your mind? Because from what I can tell you think we're going to be heading towards mass unemployment and... consider it a good thing, for some reason?
  - SirMaster 1y ago
    So it's a "mistake" to choose be Amish for example?
  - insane_dreamer 1y ago
    This is a pretty typical response of people who know the term "Luddite" as it's used today, but don't know much about the actual Luddites.
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coffeefirst 1y ago
"Ludite" "low-IQ" "meat LLM" "you will be left behind" The behavior of the boosters is basically the opposite of how to make friends and influence people. I've been through plenty of hype cycles, and this is the first one where they seem to need to insult and threaten everyone. I don't get it. And I don't feel any need to entertain it.
obscurette 1y ago
I have a bunch of coworkers who paste various LLM outputs to every chat while discussing issues in production. - "LLM X told that we should try to add this into configuration file – SOMETHING_SOMETHING = false." - "There is no SOMETHING_SOMETHING configuration option, you have a full source, grep for it." - "But should we try at least?"

by watwut 1y ago

ACCount36 1y ago

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ozgung 1y ago

That's also because of seeing them as technology under development. The overblown expectations are because of their potential in the future. The glass is half full today. It was almost empty just a few years ago. The water level is rising with an unprecedented rate. But we shouldn't forget it's still half empty right now. More importantly, we are bad at predicting how actual people use the technology.

no_wizard 1y ago

Wear that Luddite badge with honor. They were not anti technology[0], they fought for worker rights during an age of rapid rise of new technology. [0]: https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/rethinking-the-luddites-in-the-age-of-ai https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/rethinking-the-l...

ACCount36 1y ago
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- deadbabe 1y ago
  Progress crushes you whether you are a Luddite or not.
- GJim 1y ago
  > Luddites were idiots. They thought they could stand in the way of progress. Ummmm. No. The luddites were not opposed to progress or new machinery. The luddites called for unemployment compensation and retraining for workers *displaced* by the new machinery (machinery they sometimes helped build!). This probably makes them amongst the most progressive people of the 1800's.
- sensanaty 1y ago
  Luddites weren't crushed by progress, they were crushed by an armed militia backed by the government. 12,000 militia and yeomanry units, in fact. Knowing how most of the AI fanatics are like though, doesn't surprise me they're on the side of the boot rather than on the side of the people getting crushed by said boot. Also, what's the definition and point of "progress" to you? Because the way AI is shaking out to me screams the opposite of what I'd expect progress to look like. Assuming the likes of Altman (an individual who wants to harvest your biometric data for a scam shitcoin, by the way) can be believed and we indeed reach the singularity or AGI or whatever, is everyone except for the C-level (who is somehow magically exempt from the negative effects of this progress and irreplaceable somehow) losing their livelihoods and getting crushed under the boot of the wealthy and powerful "progress", in your eyes?
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  - ACCount36 1y ago
    If you think that the prospect of "job loss" would, or should, stop progress, you're delusional. There are reasons to slow AI progress down, but "think of all the jobs" certainly isn't one.
    - dttze 1y ago
      You didn’t answer his question about what you define progress as.
    - sensanaty 1y ago
      > you're delusional Am I? I'm saying this is what's going to happen (if people like Altman are correct), same as how the Luddites knew exactly what was going on. I'm not denying that we're not likely to stop AI development even if everyone loses their jobs, I'm saying that it's not what my vision of progress looks like. You also conveniently left out the part I mentioned about those jobless people getting crushed by powerful boots and focused solely on what I said about job loss. And again I'll ask, what exactly does "progress" mean for you? What world are we heading towards that counts as positive progress in your mind? Because from what I can tell you think we're going to be heading towards mass unemployment and... consider it a good thing, for some reason?
- SirMaster 1y ago
  So it's a "mistake" to choose be Amish for example?
- insane_dreamer 1y ago
  This is a pretty typical response of people who know the term "Luddite" as it's used today, but don't know much about the actual Luddites.

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coffeefirst 1y ago

"Ludite" "low-IQ" "meat LLM" "you will be left behind" The behavior of the boosters is basically the opposite of how to make friends and influence people. I've been through plenty of hype cycles, and this is the first one where they seem to need to insult and threaten everyone. I don't get it. And I don't feel any need to entertain it.

obscurette 1y ago

I have a bunch of coworkers who paste various LLM outputs to every chat while discussing issues in production. - "LLM X told that we should try to add this into configuration file – SOMETHING_SOMETHING = false." - "There is no SOMETHING_SOMETHING configuration option, you have a full source, grep for it." - "But should we try at least?"