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It’s what I thought as well, but I’m not too much into electronics to hold an opinion. It looks like there’s a balancing resistor between them: https://gitlab.c

It’s what I thought as well, but I’m not too much into electronics to hold an opinion. It looks like there’s a balancing resistor between them: https://gitlab.com/why2025/team-badge/Hardware/-/blob/main/Carrier/pdf/badgeCarrierCard.pdf https://gitlab.com/why2025/team-badge/Hardware/-/blob/main/C...

bsder 1y ago
With floating grounds due to those MOSFETS adding 50 milliohms or so (on the order of the internal resistance of the batteries!)! YIKES!
- eqvinox 1y ago
  Putting the protection circuit* on the battery's negative pole is standard best practice (due to NMOS efficiency, and it not being a problem in the slightest), and the 50mΩ actually improves balancing. Please avoid making comments like this based on half knowledge. [*] I do wish it were an actual full protection circuit. It isn't. Then again a run of the mill protection circuit commonly doesn't cover reversed polarity [between protector and cell], which is rather important for this specific appliation.
  - bsder 1y ago
    > Putting the protection circuit* on the battery's negative pole is standard best practice Pointer? Especially since LiPol paralleling seems to want to use bus bars to minimize wiring resistance. Admittedly my experience is all about avoiding parallel LiPol batteries ...
    - eqvinox 1y ago
      https://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/bq77908a https://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/bq77908a https://www.diodes.com/assets/Datasheets/products_inactive_data/AP9101C.pdf https://www.diodes.com/assets/Datasheets/products_inactive_d... Look at the reference circuits, it's a pair of antiserial NMOS on the negative pole. (Those 2 protection circuits are at the opposite ends of complexity & features) To be clear, using 2 PMOS on the positive pole is also quite common, my choice of words with "standard best practice" might be a bit misleading. > use bus bars to minimize wiring resistance. Those come after the protection circuit, there should always be 2 MOSFETs in series with the individual Li-Ion cell in a design like this (specifically: user swappable cell). (Protecting paralleled cells together is kinda nonsensical because you also want to protect them from each other, I don't think I've ever seen a 2P combined protection circuit.)
      - bsder 1y ago
        Those datasheets show creating a series pack/cell. They don't show the circuitry to then parallel the packs together. I guess I need to do more research on this.
        eqvinox 1y ago
        > Those datasheets show creating a series pack/cell. You seem to only have looked at the TI one, the Diodes one is for a single cell. & if the cells are "permanently" connected in a pack, you wouldn't have individual cell protection and just have them properly balanced before connecting them in factory. > parallel the packs together You parallel cells, not packs.
pjc50 1y ago
Is it just me or is that schematic hard to read due to bits of text being on top of each other? Also "LED will burn when battery wrong way round" .. how about fixing this problem which you have acknowledged? What happens to your balancing resistor when you put one battery one way round?
- ajb 1y ago
  "LED will burn when battery wrong way round" . I don't know about the rest of it, but I think this is just an idiosyncratic translation of "LED will light when battery wrong way round" - IE it's a warning LED.
- LiamPowell 1y ago
  > Is it just me or is that schematic hard to read due to bits of text being on top of each other? This is extremely common in products that are open-source community adjacent. I assume it's some sort of stylistic choice as almost none of these labels are in their default positions and many of the default text sizes have been changed, the designer has put in additional work to make this less readable. The purple text comes from additional fields added to the symbols (specifically these look like LCSC part numbers). When adding properties there's a checkbox to choose if they're visible on the schematic or not and normally you'd leave in unchecked. Again in this case I can only assume it's some kind of stylistic choice that I don't understand as it's a common thing to see.

bsder 1y ago

With floating grounds due to those MOSFETS adding 50 milliohms or so (on the order of the internal resistance of the batteries!)! YIKES!

eqvinox 1y ago
Putting the protection circuit* on the battery's negative pole is standard best practice (due to NMOS efficiency, and it not being a problem in the slightest), and the 50mΩ actually improves balancing. Please avoid making comments like this based on half knowledge. [*] I do wish it were an actual full protection circuit. It isn't. Then again a run of the mill protection circuit commonly doesn't cover reversed polarity [between protector and cell], which is rather important for this specific appliation.
- bsder 1y ago
  > Putting the protection circuit* on the battery's negative pole is standard best practice Pointer? Especially since LiPol paralleling seems to want to use bus bars to minimize wiring resistance. Admittedly my experience is all about avoiding parallel LiPol batteries ...
  - eqvinox 1y ago
    https://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/bq77908a https://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/bq77908a https://www.diodes.com/assets/Datasheets/products_inactive_data/AP9101C.pdf https://www.diodes.com/assets/Datasheets/products_inactive_d... Look at the reference circuits, it's a pair of antiserial NMOS on the negative pole. (Those 2 protection circuits are at the opposite ends of complexity & features) To be clear, using 2 PMOS on the positive pole is also quite common, my choice of words with "standard best practice" might be a bit misleading. > use bus bars to minimize wiring resistance. Those come after the protection circuit, there should always be 2 MOSFETs in series with the individual Li-Ion cell in a design like this (specifically: user swappable cell). (Protecting paralleled cells together is kinda nonsensical because you also want to protect them from each other, I don't think I've ever seen a 2P combined protection circuit.)
    - bsder 1y ago
      Those datasheets show creating a series pack/cell. They don't show the circuitry to then parallel the packs together. I guess I need to do more research on this.
      - eqvinox 1y ago
        > Those datasheets show creating a series pack/cell. You seem to only have looked at the TI one, the Diodes one is for a single cell. & if the cells are "permanently" connected in a pack, you wouldn't have individual cell protection and just have them properly balanced before connecting them in factory. > parallel the packs together You parallel cells, not packs.

pjc50 1y ago

Is it just me or is that schematic hard to read due to bits of text being on top of each other? Also "LED will burn when battery wrong way round" .. how about fixing this problem which you have acknowledged? What happens to your balancing resistor when you put one battery one way round?

ajb 1y ago
"LED will burn when battery wrong way round" . I don't know about the rest of it, but I think this is just an idiosyncratic translation of "LED will light when battery wrong way round" - IE it's a warning LED.
LiamPowell 1y ago
> Is it just me or is that schematic hard to read due to bits of text being on top of each other? This is extremely common in products that are open-source community adjacent. I assume it's some sort of stylistic choice as almost none of these labels are in their default positions and many of the default text sizes have been changed, the designer has put in additional work to make this less readable. The purple text comes from additional fields added to the symbols (specifically these look like LCSC part numbers). When adding properties there's a checkbox to choose if they're visible on the schematic or not and normally you'd leave in unchecked. Again in this case I can only assume it's some kind of stylistic choice that I don't understand as it's a common thing to see.