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say is only 193K on MacOS ls -lah /usr/bin/say -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 193K 15 Nov 2024 /usr/bin/say Usage: M1-Mac-mini ~ % say "hello world this

say is only 193K on MacOS ls -lah /usr/bin/say -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 193K 15 Nov 2024 /usr/bin/say Usage: M1-Mac-mini ~ % say "hello world this is the kitten TTS model speaking"

wnoise 1y ago
And what dynamic libraries s it linked to? And what other data are they pulling in?
dented42 1y ago
That’s not a far comparison. Say just calls the speech synthesis APIs that have been around since at least Mac OS 8. That being said, the ‘classical’ (pre-AI) speech synthesisers are much smaller than kitten, so you’re not wrong per se, just for the wrong reason.
- deleted 1y ago
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- deathanatos 1y ago
  The linked repository at the top-level here has several gigabytes of dependencies, too.
satvikpendem 1y ago
`say` sounds terrible compared to modern neural network based text to speech engines.
- wewewedxfgdf 1y ago
  Sounds about the same as Kitten TTS.
  - satvikpendem 1y ago
    To me it sounds worse, especially on the construction of certain more complex sentences or words.
selcuka 1y ago
SAM on Commodore 64 was only 6K: https://project64.c64.org/Software/SAM10.TXT https://project64.c64.org/Software/SAM10.TXT Obviously it's not fair to compare these with ML models.
retired_account 1y ago
Tried that on 26 beta, and the default voice sounds a lot smoother than it used it. Running `man say` reveals that "this tool uses the Speech Synthesis manager", so I'm guessing the Apple Intelligence stuff is kicking in.
- dented42 1y ago
  Nothing to do with Apple Intelligence. The speech synthesiser manager (the term manager was used for OS components in Classic Mac OS) has been around since the mid 90s or so. The change you’re hearing is probably a new/modified default voice.
  - retired_account 1y ago
    > Nothing to do with Apple Intelligence Sorry, the clarify - I mean in macOS beta 26, the `say` command's output matches the settings set in the System Settings -> Apple Intelligence & Siri -> Voice > Select... menu. > speech synthesiser manager (the term manager was used for OS components in Classic Mac OS) Especially fun to play with on the rainbow iMacs back then, too.
a96 1y ago
If you make a shell script that calls say, that script will be even smaller!

say is only 193K on MacOS ls -lah /usr/bin/say -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 193K 15 Nov 2024 /usr/bin/say Usage: M1-Mac-mini ~ % say "hello world this is the kitten TTS model speaking"

wnoise 1y ago

And what dynamic libraries s it linked to? And what other data are they pulling in?

dented42 1y ago

That’s not a far comparison. Say just calls the speech synthesis APIs that have been around since at least Mac OS 8. That being said, the ‘classical’ (pre-AI) speech synthesisers are much smaller than kitten, so you’re not wrong per se, just for the wrong reason.

deleted 1y ago
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deathanatos 1y ago
The linked repository at the top-level here has several gigabytes of dependencies, too.

satvikpendem 1y ago

`say` sounds terrible compared to modern neural network based text to speech engines.

wewewedxfgdf 1y ago
Sounds about the same as Kitten TTS.
- satvikpendem 1y ago
  To me it sounds worse, especially on the construction of certain more complex sentences or words.

selcuka 1y ago

SAM on Commodore 64 was only 6K: https://project64.c64.org/Software/SAM10.TXT https://project64.c64.org/Software/SAM10.TXT Obviously it's not fair to compare these with ML models.

retired_account 1y ago

Tried that on 26 beta, and the default voice sounds a lot smoother than it used it. Running `man say` reveals that "this tool uses the Speech Synthesis manager", so I'm guessing the Apple Intelligence stuff is kicking in.

dented42 1y ago
Nothing to do with Apple Intelligence. The speech synthesiser manager (the term manager was used for OS components in Classic Mac OS) has been around since the mid 90s or so. The change you’re hearing is probably a new/modified default voice.
- retired_account 1y ago
  > Nothing to do with Apple Intelligence Sorry, the clarify - I mean in macOS beta 26, the `say` command's output matches the settings set in the System Settings -> Apple Intelligence & Siri -> Voice > Select... menu. > speech synthesiser manager (the term manager was used for OS components in Classic Mac OS) Especially fun to play with on the rainbow iMacs back then, too.

a96 1y ago

If you make a shell script that calls say, that script will be even smaller!