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gemini app is really funny because they ship ridiculously complicated features like this before fixing the basic ability to have a chat history with apps activi

gemini app is really funny because they ship ridiculously complicated features like this before fixing the basic ability to have a chat history with apps activity turned off Imagine the meetings where they decide to add personal illustrated storybooks before fixing chat histories

rmonvfer 1y ago
I think that’s on purpose (the chat history thing), because they actually keep the data (I’m the admin in a Workspace and even though we have Apps Activity turned off, everything still gets logged for compliance and I cannot disable it) But yeah, it’s Google after all
Workaccount2 1y ago
Few companies are more gifted than Google at having an incoherent product approach.
- scarface_74 1y ago
  I like to say that they have the attention span of a crack addled flea. But isn’t because of the promo culture? My n=1 of BigTech experience is that promos are based on “impact” and it’s a lot harder to show impact maintaining and improving existing features. That might explain why there are over a dozen different ways to run a Docker container at AWS. https://www.lastweekinaws.com/blog/the-17-ways-to-run-containers-on-aws/ https://www.lastweekinaws.com/blog/the-17-ways-to-run-contai...
XenophileJKO 1y ago
Nobody gets promoted for fixing bugs. That is the sad state of big tech. My theory is this misalignment of incentives is probably at the heart of most of our quality rot in software. Product managers are incentivized to create new features that boost the daily active users, while generally blind to the death by a thousand cuts caused by all the quality issues.
- quacked 1y ago
  If it were possible to turn off reports back to the manufacturer of what features were used and how often they were used on a grand scale, we'd enter into a golden age of software. I hate using technology now, with every button click reporting that it was clicked and features being sorted by "most used" instead of into logical placements relative to one another.
- fc417fc802 1y ago
  It's the exact same issue that science has. Reproducing past work won't get you funding so no one bothers unless there's no alternative. Negative results won't get you funding so no one publishes them which means people inevitably repeat the same failed experiments. It seems like large institutions almost inevitably accumulate misaligned incentives along with an inertia that makes them almost impossible to correct.
- sorokod 1y ago
  Exploration over exploitation. I don't see this as a misalignment, it is a choice by the company, to the extent companies as a whole make choices. The incentives are the manifestations of those choices.
baxtr 1y ago
Yeah product management at Google is a complete mess.
qwertox 1y ago
Just thinking that this is the company that had UIs like Google Reader and still have UIs like Gmail, yet Gemini has the most retarded UX ever.
PunchTornado 1y ago
do you really think this is a bug? not on purpose?

rmonvfer 1y ago

I think that’s on purpose (the chat history thing), because they actually keep the data (I’m the admin in a Workspace and even though we have Apps Activity turned off, everything still gets logged for compliance and I cannot disable it) But yeah, it’s Google after all

Workaccount2 1y ago

Few companies are more gifted than Google at having an incoherent product approach.

scarface_74 1y ago
I like to say that they have the attention span of a crack addled flea. But isn’t because of the promo culture? My n=1 of BigTech experience is that promos are based on “impact” and it’s a lot harder to show impact maintaining and improving existing features. That might explain why there are over a dozen different ways to run a Docker container at AWS. https://www.lastweekinaws.com/blog/the-17-ways-to-run-containers-on-aws/ https://www.lastweekinaws.com/blog/the-17-ways-to-run-contai...

XenophileJKO 1y ago

Nobody gets promoted for fixing bugs. That is the sad state of big tech. My theory is this misalignment of incentives is probably at the heart of most of our quality rot in software. Product managers are incentivized to create new features that boost the daily active users, while generally blind to the death by a thousand cuts caused by all the quality issues.

quacked 1y ago
If it were possible to turn off reports back to the manufacturer of what features were used and how often they were used on a grand scale, we'd enter into a golden age of software. I hate using technology now, with every button click reporting that it was clicked and features being sorted by "most used" instead of into logical placements relative to one another.
fc417fc802 1y ago
It's the exact same issue that science has. Reproducing past work won't get you funding so no one bothers unless there's no alternative. Negative results won't get you funding so no one publishes them which means people inevitably repeat the same failed experiments. It seems like large institutions almost inevitably accumulate misaligned incentives along with an inertia that makes them almost impossible to correct.
sorokod 1y ago
Exploration over exploitation. I don't see this as a misalignment, it is a choice by the company, to the extent companies as a whole make choices. The incentives are the manifestations of those choices.

baxtr 1y ago

Yeah product management at Google is a complete mess.

qwertox 1y ago

Just thinking that this is the company that had UIs like Google Reader and still have UIs like Gmail, yet Gemini has the most retarded UX ever.

PunchTornado 1y ago

do you really think this is a bug? not on purpose?