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Comparatively speaking, obviously yes.

• shadowgovt 1y ago
  I'd argue "people are terrified to cross" isn't the same as "secure." Kind of the opposite actually. We are now losing the companionship of people who could cross legally because they don't trust us to treat them fairly. Canadians aren't coming. Europeans are staying home. To say nothing of our Southern neighbors. "Just terrorize people into staying away" was always an option. It works great for North Korea! There's a reason previous administrations didn't pursue that agenda. I suspect we won't really grasp this lesson though until the economies along our border start to implode for lack of commerce.
  • lazyeye 1y ago
    Sigh....
    • shadowgovt 1y ago
      https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2025/07/03/us-tourism-lose-29-billion-trump-policies/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2025/07/03... 20% drop in tourism from Canada. That's about 10% shy of the drop after 9/11, during a time that is notably nothing like 9/11.
      • lazyeye 1y ago
        And your point is?
        • shadowgovt 1y ago
          "Securing" the border by making it so unpalatable to travel here that people who would break none of our laws are also staying away is a terrible plan in a world that has grown this small and deeply-interconnected. America is not above being passed over by a global community that interprets its behavior as damage and routes around it. We don't know what it's like to become a pariah state; our current behavior has us angled to find out. (At this point, as a native-born American, not even I want to travel. The risk of being unable to return successfully to the country is too high).