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Thanks for courteously linking me to the relevant documents! Very productive and good-natured of you.

Jtsummers 1y ago
> Thanks for courteously linking me to the relevant documents! Very productive and good-natured of you. Thanks for the sarcasm! Very productive and good-natured of you. For your reference: LISP 1.5 manual: https://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/book/LISP%201.5%20Programmers%20Manual.pdf https://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/book/LISP... Arrays were present in 1960. Admittedly, not much else but clear evidence that even then it wasn't just cons cells. https://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Front/Contents.htm https://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Front/Cont... - Common Lisp Hyper Spec which describes data structures other than lists and cons cells.
- netbioserror 1y ago
  For someone who initiated hostility, you're a dismal failure at supporting your arguments. I'm not reading two entire manuals to find the citations you're referring to and should've cited yourself.
  - Jtsummers 1y ago
    > I'm not reading two entire manuals to find the citations you're referring to and should've cited yourself. C-f that PDF for "array". For the other manual, I linked the TOC. It's right there on the page (arrays and hash tables, and you can follow up with structures and objects) and there's no reason to read the entire manual. I figured most people knew how to use a table of contents, I apologize if I expected too much from you.
cess11 1y ago
Flavors, from 1979 or so. https://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/MIT/nnnfla1-20040122.pdf https://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/MIT/nnnfl... LOOPS, from about the same time. https://interlisp.org/documentation/2024-loops-book-1.pdf https://interlisp.org/documentation/2024-loops-book-1.pdf More general discussion in a OOPSLA contribution from 1986. https://web.archive.org/web/20220817140051/https://interlisp.org/docs/1986-commonloops.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20220817140051/https://interlisp... The 1988 book about CLOS, the approach that was later accepted in ANSI Common Lisp. https://doc.lagout.org/programmation/Lisp/Object-Oriented%20Programming%20in%20Common%20Lisp_%20A%20Programmer%27s%20Guide%20to%20CLOS%20%5BKeene%201989-01-11%5D.pdf https://doc.lagout.org/programmation/Lisp/Object-Oriented%20...

> Thanks for courteously linking me to the relevant documents! Very productive and good-natured of you. Thanks for the sarcasm! Very productive and good-natured of you. For your reference: LISP 1.5 manual: https://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/book/LISP%201.5%20Programmers%20Manual.pdf https://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/book/LISP... Arrays were present in 1960. Admittedly, not much else but clear evidence that even then it wasn't just cons cells. https://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Front/Contents.htm https://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Front/Cont... - Common Lisp Hyper Spec which describes data structures other than lists and cons cells.

netbioserror 1y ago
For someone who initiated hostility, you're a dismal failure at supporting your arguments. I'm not reading two entire manuals to find the citations you're referring to and should've cited yourself.
- Jtsummers 1y ago
  > I'm not reading two entire manuals to find the citations you're referring to and should've cited yourself. C-f that PDF for "array". For the other manual, I linked the TOC. It's right there on the page (arrays and hash tables, and you can follow up with structures and objects) and there's no reason to read the entire manual. I figured most people knew how to use a table of contents, I apologize if I expected too much from you.

cess11 1y ago

Flavors, from 1979 or so. https://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/MIT/nnnfla1-20040122.pdf https://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/MIT/nnnfl... LOOPS, from about the same time. https://interlisp.org/documentation/2024-loops-book-1.pdf https://interlisp.org/documentation/2024-loops-book-1.pdf More general discussion in a OOPSLA contribution from 1986. https://web.archive.org/web/20220817140051/https://interlisp.org/docs/1986-commonloops.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20220817140051/https://interlisp... The 1988 book about CLOS, the approach that was later accepted in ANSI Common Lisp. https://doc.lagout.org/programmation/Lisp/Object-Oriented%20Programming%20in%20Common%20Lisp_%20A%20Programmer%27s%20Guide%20to%20CLOS%20%5BKeene%201989-01-11%5D.pdf https://doc.lagout.org/programmation/Lisp/Object-Oriented%20...