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Seeing how Perplexity (my preference) or Kagi is much better than Google for 98% of queries, Google has indeed killed itself, at least for the time being. Xfini

Seeing how Perplexity (my preference) or Kagi is much better than Google for 98% of queries, Google has indeed killed itself, at least for the time being. Xfinity has a one year free on Perplexity Pro, which is how I tested the switchover. Early attempts at search-emabled AIs (e.g. ChatGPT) were nowhere near as good at first, so I stopped testing them against Perplexity/Kagi

ignoramous 1y ago
For years I used pplx.ai extensively, but of late, chat.com (code, q&a) and gemini.google (youtube & web search) feel unmatched.
- QuantumGood 1y ago
  Just a note: pplx.ai redirects to perplexity.com; chat.com redirects to chatgpt.com
- drewbitt 1y ago
  You really were heavily using it in late 2022/early 2023? It seemed... rough.
  - ignoramous 1y ago
    pplx.ai did RAG (with attachments) and web search (immediately after they pivoted from Twitter search aka "Bird SQL") way before other chat interfaces caught on. Their features were free & the product was sticky.
codethief 1y ago
I'm really quite… perplexed by how so many people seem to be happy with Perplexity. I have tried it a number of times and it always hallucinated a ton (especially the stuff where it provided "sources").
- VHRanger 1y ago
  It uses only google as a backend, and the answer engine is based on the ancient llama 3.3 70B. It's well behind Kagi (which uses a bunch of sources for results and new models for quick answer or assistant). Perplexity is even well behind other competitors like chatgpt
  - unixhero 1y ago
    Ok ok, I'm signing up for Kagi now
  - QuantumGood 1y ago
    Perplexity Pro allows you to use GPT-4 Omni, Claude 4 Sonnet, Gemini 2.5 Pro, Sonar, DeepSeek R1, and others. Can you clarify what you mean by based on the ancient llama 3.3 70B? And they pull results from multiple search engines, and their own index, not just Google. Preference doesn't have to be based on anything, but providing misinformation that is easily verified is not that common on HN. And Perplexity Pro is different than vanilla Perplexity.
    - VHRanger 1y ago
      I was talking about their sonar API and what you get when you go to perplexity.ai and search by default -- it's llama 3.3 70B hosted with cerebras. Which is fast, but way way behind the times -- it's more likely to hallucinate than models from basically anyone from the competition, including quick answer. You're right though it seems that they don't just use bing + their own crawler, but who else they use seems to be community speculation.
- bfeynman 1y ago
  same, so much so that I almost think they have a bot army for astroturfing, because I cannot believe anyone gets value from it over just one of the main providers and google. They dont index data nearly as much or as often as google, they basically are at a pareto frontier of just serving the most amount of people with lean indexing based on fact that people look up a lot of the same things. It reminds me of looking at google earth where you can see cities have 3d models but a random neighborhood where you grew up would be images years old. So yeah, its useful but definitely not a replacement for google, so idk why anyone would pay for it.

ignoramous 1y ago

For years I used pplx.ai extensively, but of late, chat.com (code, q&a) and gemini.google (youtube & web search) feel unmatched.

QuantumGood 1y ago
Just a note: pplx.ai redirects to perplexity.com; chat.com redirects to chatgpt.com
drewbitt 1y ago
You really were heavily using it in late 2022/early 2023? It seemed... rough.
- ignoramous 1y ago
  pplx.ai did RAG (with attachments) and web search (immediately after they pivoted from Twitter search aka "Bird SQL") way before other chat interfaces caught on. Their features were free & the product was sticky.

codethief 1y ago

I'm really quite… perplexed by how so many people seem to be happy with Perplexity. I have tried it a number of times and it always hallucinated a ton (especially the stuff where it provided "sources").

VHRanger 1y ago
It uses only google as a backend, and the answer engine is based on the ancient llama 3.3 70B. It's well behind Kagi (which uses a bunch of sources for results and new models for quick answer or assistant). Perplexity is even well behind other competitors like chatgpt
- unixhero 1y ago
  Ok ok, I'm signing up for Kagi now
- QuantumGood 1y ago
  Perplexity Pro allows you to use GPT-4 Omni, Claude 4 Sonnet, Gemini 2.5 Pro, Sonar, DeepSeek R1, and others. Can you clarify what you mean by based on the ancient llama 3.3 70B? And they pull results from multiple search engines, and their own index, not just Google. Preference doesn't have to be based on anything, but providing misinformation that is easily verified is not that common on HN. And Perplexity Pro is different than vanilla Perplexity.
  - VHRanger 1y ago
    I was talking about their sonar API and what you get when you go to perplexity.ai and search by default -- it's llama 3.3 70B hosted with cerebras. Which is fast, but way way behind the times -- it's more likely to hallucinate than models from basically anyone from the competition, including quick answer. You're right though it seems that they don't just use bing + their own crawler, but who else they use seems to be community speculation.
bfeynman 1y ago
same, so much so that I almost think they have a bot army for astroturfing, because I cannot believe anyone gets value from it over just one of the main providers and google. They dont index data nearly as much or as often as google, they basically are at a pareto frontier of just serving the most amount of people with lean indexing based on fact that people look up a lot of the same things. It reminds me of looking at google earth where you can see cities have 3d models but a random neighborhood where you grew up would be images years old. So yeah, its useful but definitely not a replacement for google, so idk why anyone would pay for it.