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> Replacing the EU management with a US manager would at a minimum be a breach of contract - and since some of these contracts are for sensitive / national secu

> Replacing the EU management with a US manager would at a minimum be a breach of contract - and since some of these contracts are for sensitive / national security use cases, possibly much more serious legal consequences than just garden variety breach of contract and the EU has no leverage to do anything about it if they did they wouldn't have selected AWS "Sovereign" cloud in the first place

skissane 1y ago
> and the EU has no leverage to do anything about it Absolutely they do have leverage – maximum they could possibly do would be confiscate Amazon's EU assets (physical, financial, corporate and intellectual)
- blibble 1y ago
  > maximum they could possibly do would be confiscate Amazon's EU assets so they can turn off their own critical services? threatening to shoot yourself in the foot with a tactical nuke is not leverage
  - skissane 1y ago
    Confiscating a subsidiary doesn't shut down its computer systems. That would require humans to do additional – and very likely criminal – acts of retaliation.
    - lazide 1y ago
      At the point someone has seized an Amazon subsidiary, of course ACLs will change, equipment will get shutdown, etc. And no one will care about whatever claims of ‘criminal retaliation’ there are, because it’s already crossed that line eh? It’s not like the domestic employees will be doing it anyway - or would need to be involved.
crazygringo 1y ago
The EU has no leverage? This is located within the EU. They can walk in and arrest the US manager or deport them immediately, and throw any direct reports in jail if they obey the US manager. The EU has all the leverage here. Sovereignty over a geographical area does actually mean something.
- blibble 1y ago
  > They can walk in and arrest the US manager or deport them immediately, how? they'd be in the US (hence "US manager") > The EU has all the leverage here. it has one threat: to shut it all down, at which point the EU re-enters the dark ages threatening to blow off your own leg is not leverage

skissane 1y ago

> and the EU has no leverage to do anything about it Absolutely they do have leverage – maximum they could possibly do would be confiscate Amazon's EU assets (physical, financial, corporate and intellectual)

blibble 1y ago
> maximum they could possibly do would be confiscate Amazon's EU assets so they can turn off their own critical services? threatening to shoot yourself in the foot with a tactical nuke is not leverage
- skissane 1y ago
  Confiscating a subsidiary doesn't shut down its computer systems. That would require humans to do additional – and very likely criminal – acts of retaliation.
  - lazide 1y ago
    At the point someone has seized an Amazon subsidiary, of course ACLs will change, equipment will get shutdown, etc. And no one will care about whatever claims of ‘criminal retaliation’ there are, because it’s already crossed that line eh? It’s not like the domestic employees will be doing it anyway - or would need to be involved.

crazygringo 1y ago

The EU has no leverage? This is located within the EU. They can walk in and arrest the US manager or deport them immediately, and throw any direct reports in jail if they obey the US manager. The EU has all the leverage here. Sovereignty over a geographical area does actually mean something.

blibble 1y ago
> They can walk in and arrest the US manager or deport them immediately, how? they'd be in the US (hence "US manager") > The EU has all the leverage here. it has one threat: to shut it all down, at which point the EU re-enters the dark ages threatening to blow off your own leg is not leverage