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I strongly disagree with Trump climate policy but I can give it a shot. Basically, fossil fuels have been a machine for lifting people out of poverty and cre

by igor47 1y ago

I *strongly* disagree with Trump climate policy but I can give it a shot. Basically, fossil fuels have been a machine for lifting people out of poverty and creating economic growth. If you overlay charts of growth on top of charts of energy use, they're almost one and the same. Now, a bunch of head-in -the-sky liberals come along and decide we can't use these fuels anymore, and instead should use... Windmills? And their reasons are obviously fake. The climate has always changed, and isn't changing so much now, maybe even cooling recently. Their dire predictions keep failing to come true, and all their evidence comes from more liberal SJW University snowflakes. Worse-- all the stuff they want to deploy comes from communist China, while we have tons of oil and gas right here at home.

exceptione 1y ago
These are belly sounds, they don't form an argument.
- igor47 1y ago
  My goal was to steelman an argument I disagree with. I'm not convinced -- I think climate change is a huge problem and we should move as fast as possible to try to solve it. But I also strongly dislike my allies on the left who reflexively dismiss any argument they don't immediately agree with as illegitimate. If you can't even attempt to pass the ideological Turing test, you should retain low confidence in your opinions.
  - exceptione 1y ago
    I am talking about argument-based-on-reasoning. Yes, I understood you did not believe the crap you were writing. Rational arguments have nothing to do with marketing labels like left, and any other binary belief traps. The things you mentioned are nothing more than echos of nonsensical political marketing that is deliberately NOT targeting the ratio. Instead, they aim the underbelly, the non-rational core we all have. It speaks to the peoples need to belong to a group, it speaks to deeply held beliefs, it speaks to identity. I understand it is incredible hard while drowning in a sea of identity politics, but do not conflate reason with political memes.

I *strongly* disagree with Trump climate policy but I can give it a shot. Basically, fossil fuels have been a machine for lifting people out of poverty and cre

by igor47 1y ago

exceptione 1y ago

These are belly sounds, they don't form an argument.

igor47 1y ago
My goal was to steelman an argument I disagree with. I'm not convinced -- I think climate change is a huge problem and we should move as fast as possible to try to solve it. But I also strongly dislike my allies on the left who reflexively dismiss any argument they don't immediately agree with as illegitimate. If you can't even attempt to pass the ideological Turing test, you should retain low confidence in your opinions.
- exceptione 1y ago
  I am talking about argument-based-on-reasoning. Yes, I understood you did not believe the crap you were writing. Rational arguments have nothing to do with marketing labels like left, and any other binary belief traps. The things you mentioned are nothing more than echos of nonsensical political marketing that is deliberately NOT targeting the ratio. Instead, they aim the underbelly, the non-rational core we all have. It speaks to the peoples need to belong to a group, it speaks to deeply held beliefs, it speaks to identity. I understand it is incredible hard while drowning in a sea of identity politics, but do not conflate reason with political memes.