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I would buy a Nokia Android. Awesome hardware, great software. Windows 8 on a Nokia is like taking a camel to a horse race.

moystard 14y ago
Had the exact same thought while watching the conference. The problem does not come from the hardware, it comes from the software.
- sv123 14y ago
  What have you heard negative about it? Seems pretty slick.
  - evandena 14y ago
    Will they seamlessly let you use Google services in a non-hackish way? I don't want to use Bing, Live, Sky, etc. I'm afraid unless I buy an open source OS, I'll be pushed into an ecosystem without choice.
    - craigvn 14y ago
      Yes they will. Problem solved.
  - moystard 14y ago
    I don't like this endless vertical list of application, even with the search feature. Also, the transitions feel slow with all these animations.
powertower 14y ago
> Windows 8 on a Nokia is like taking a camel to a horse race. What are you basing this statement on?
- shuw 14y ago
  Well, Windows Phone has failed to gain traction in the marketplace and therefore lacks a proper app ecosystem. Second, I think the WP8 UI very divisive. You either love it or you don't. Personally, I think it's a Pepsi. Sweet on first impression, but cumbersome to use every day. Too much scrolling (can't use muscle memory) and giant typography which distract from the content.
  - jbigelow76 14y ago
    > Well, Windows Phone has failed to gain traction in the marketplace and therefore lacks a proper app ecosystem. Could you expand on what you see as a proper app ecosystem? - It can't be the tooling, Visual Studio and .NET have a pretty huge install bases. - Is it the distribution channel? - Is it that there aren't 60,000,000 apps like for Android? If so that number should be reduced down to about the ~5000 apps that are actually worth a crap in Android in which case Windows phone would probably stack up pretty well. - It can't be moentization, just yesterday most of read of the heartbreaking case of Retickr (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4475918 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4475918), after a year of nearing the top of the app store for iPhone (which is assumed to be a more profitable demographic) they still shut down after burning through (some/all?) founder savings, plus a seed round plus a funding round. It seems if you make a profit in ANY app ecosystem you are an outlier. What is Microsoft missing that would make it "proper"?
    - runjake 14y ago
      > What is Microsoft missing that would make it "proper"? Apps on par with Android and iOS. Sure WP has a Twitter app, but it's ancient. Several other popular "must-have" apps are there, but are not at feature parity with competing platforms. I think that's the one big thing Windows Phone is missing: versions of apps that don't suck, and don't lag features behind competing platforms. Outside the Microsoft crowd, developer/buyer interest is virtually non-existent, which is sad because I think it's a rather great platform. It's fast, pretty, elegant and useful.
      - 14y ago

moystard 14y ago

Had the exact same thought while watching the conference. The problem does not come from the hardware, it comes from the software.

sv123 14y ago
What have you heard negative about it? Seems pretty slick.
- evandena 14y ago
  Will they seamlessly let you use Google services in a non-hackish way? I don't want to use Bing, Live, Sky, etc. I'm afraid unless I buy an open source OS, I'll be pushed into an ecosystem without choice.
  - craigvn 14y ago
    Yes they will. Problem solved.
- moystard 14y ago
  I don't like this endless vertical list of application, even with the search feature. Also, the transitions feel slow with all these animations.

powertower 14y ago

> Windows 8 on a Nokia is like taking a camel to a horse race. What are you basing this statement on?

shuw 14y ago
Well, Windows Phone has failed to gain traction in the marketplace and therefore lacks a proper app ecosystem. Second, I think the WP8 UI very divisive. You either love it or you don't. Personally, I think it's a Pepsi. Sweet on first impression, but cumbersome to use every day. Too much scrolling (can't use muscle memory) and giant typography which distract from the content.
- jbigelow76 14y ago
  > Well, Windows Phone has failed to gain traction in the marketplace and therefore lacks a proper app ecosystem. Could you expand on what you see as a proper app ecosystem? - It can't be the tooling, Visual Studio and .NET have a pretty huge install bases. - Is it the distribution channel? - Is it that there aren't 60,000,000 apps like for Android? If so that number should be reduced down to about the ~5000 apps that are actually worth a crap in Android in which case Windows phone would probably stack up pretty well. - It can't be moentization, just yesterday most of read of the heartbreaking case of Retickr (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4475918 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4475918), after a year of nearing the top of the app store for iPhone (which is assumed to be a more profitable demographic) they still shut down after burning through (some/all?) founder savings, plus a seed round plus a funding round. It seems if you make a profit in ANY app ecosystem you are an outlier. What is Microsoft missing that would make it "proper"?
  - runjake 14y ago
    > What is Microsoft missing that would make it "proper"? Apps on par with Android and iOS. Sure WP has a Twitter app, but it's ancient. Several other popular "must-have" apps are there, but are not at feature parity with competing platforms. I think that's the one big thing Windows Phone is missing: versions of apps that don't suck, and don't lag features behind competing platforms. Outside the Microsoft crowd, developer/buyer interest is virtually non-existent, which is sad because I think it's a rather great platform. It's fast, pretty, elegant and useful.
    - 14y ago