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This has bothered me about kagi: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29844665 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29844665 The founder started that he was no

This has bothered me about kagi: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29844665 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29844665 The founder started that he was not interested in serving users who want anonymity. I see they've since added Privacy Pass using VOPRF tokens, which does provide anonymity by decoupling searches from user accounts. But by now LLM search tools are good and don't require an account.

mvieira38 1y ago
That position seems to have changed, I think? They are supposedly allowing people to buy Privacy Pass tokens without a Kagi account in-the-future™: "Yes, this makes sense. This is possible because technically the extension does not care if you have an account or not. It just needs to be ‘loaded’ with valid tokens. And you can imagine a mechanism where you could also anonymously purchase them, eg. with monero, without ever creating an account at Kagi. Let us know here if you are excited about this, as it will help prioritize it." https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-privacy-pass https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-privacy-pass They also provide a Tor hidden service which can be used with Privacy Pass (although you'd have to install their extension on Tor Browser for it to work)
bsimpson 1y ago
People always joked that Incognito Mode is for porn, but I use it for search. I don't want to be in a group of people, someone asks me to look up how old some celebrity is, and then information about that person gets pushed to me by algorithms from then on. It's a trite example, but a real one. I've found myself becoming aware of which topics the algorithms know I've looked into, and trying to groom that list. In Europe, you can't presently use Gemini without being logged in - presumably having something to do with their recent tech laws. I don't know if there's a way to delete searches from Gemini either. I really don't like that. I should be allowed to be curious about something without having that curiosity etched into my permanent record.

mvieira38 1y ago

That position seems to have changed, I think? They are supposedly allowing people to buy Privacy Pass tokens without a Kagi account in-the-future™: "Yes, this makes sense. This is possible because technically the extension does not care if you have an account or not. It just needs to be ‘loaded’ with valid tokens. And you can imagine a mechanism where you could also anonymously purchase them, eg. with monero, without ever creating an account at Kagi. Let us know here if you are excited about this, as it will help prioritize it." https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-privacy-pass https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-privacy-pass They also provide a Tor hidden service which can be used with Privacy Pass (although you'd have to install their extension on Tor Browser for it to work)

bsimpson 1y ago

People always joked that Incognito Mode is for porn, but I use it for search. I don't want to be in a group of people, someone asks me to look up how old some celebrity is, and then information about that person gets pushed to me by algorithms from then on. It's a trite example, but a real one. I've found myself becoming aware of which topics the algorithms know I've looked into, and trying to groom that list. In Europe, you can't presently use Gemini without being logged in - presumably having something to do with their recent tech laws. I don't know if there's a way to delete searches from Gemini either. I really don't like that. I should be allowed to be curious about something without having that curiosity etched into my permanent record.