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We already live in a world where a vast library of songs by musicians who play much better than you are readily available on YouTube and Spotify. This seems lik

We already live in a world where a vast library of songs by musicians who play much better than you are readily available on YouTube and Spotify. This seems like more of the same?

podgietaru 1y ago
I like living in a world where I know that people who have spent actually time on nurturing a talent get rewarded for doing so, even if that talent is not something I will ever be good at. I don't want to live in a world where these things are generated cheaply and easily for the profit of a very select few group of people. I know the world doesn't work like I described in the top paragraph. But it's a lot closer to it than the bottom.
- wolttam 1y ago
  It's hard to see how there will be room for profit as this all advances There will be two classes of media: - Generated, consumed en-masse by uncreative, uninspired individuals looking for cheap thrill - Human created, consumed by discerning individuals seeking out real human talent and expression. Valuing it based merely on the knowledge that a biological brain produced (or helped produce) it. I tend to suspect that the latter will grow in value, not diminish, as time progresses
  - skeezyboy 1y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pause_Giant_AI_Experiments:_An_Open_Letter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pause_Giant_AI_Experiments:_An... people said the world could literally end if we train anything bigger than chatgpt4... I would take these projections with a handful of salt
    - pizzathyme 1y ago
      This is an incredible artifact.
    - amarcheschi 1y ago
      At this point we should have been dead for God knows how many times (I'm not going to check yud's Twitter for his actual predictions)
  - skybrian 1y ago
    It seems to me that you’re describing Hollywood? Admittedly, there are big budget productions, but Hollywood is all about fakery, it’s cheap for the consumer, and there’s a lot of audience-pleasing dreck. There’s no bright line between computer and human-created video - computer tools are used everywhere.
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- bko 1y ago
  > I like living in a world where I know that people who have spent actually time on nurturing a talent get rewarded for doing so, even if that talent is not something I will ever be good at. Rewarded how? 99.99% of people who do things like sports or artistic like writing never get "rewarded for doing so", at least in the way I imagine you mean the phrase. The reward is usually the experience itself. When someone picks up a ball or an instrument, they don't do so for some material reward. Why should anyone be rewarded materially for something like this? Why are you so hung up on the <0.001% that can actually make some money now having to enjoy the activity more as a hobby than a profession.
  - podgietaru 1y ago
    99.99% of people, really? You think there isn't a huge swath of the economy that are made up of professional writers, artists, musicians, graphic designers, and all the other creative professionals that the producers of these models aim to replicate the skills of? Why am I so "hung up" on the livelihood of these people? Doing art is a Hobby is a good in and of itself. I did not say otherwise. But when I see a movie, when I listen to a song, I want to appreciate the integrity and talent of the people that wrote them. I want them to get paid for that enjoyment. I don't think that's bizarre.
    - holoduke 1y ago
      You can still makes movies , music etc. But now with better tools. Just accept the new reality and try to play this new level. The old won't come back. Its a waste of time to complain and feel frustrated. There are plenty of opportunities to express your creativity.
- fantasizr 1y ago
  I could see that theater and live music (especially performed on acoustic instruments) become hyper popular because it'll be the only talent worth paying to see when everything else is 'cheaply' made.
- pessimizer 1y ago
  > I like living in a world where I know that people who have spent actually time on nurturing a talent get rewarded for doing so, even if that talent is not something I will ever be good at. That world has only existed for the last hundred or so years, and the talent is usually brutally exploited by people whose main talent is parasitism. Only a tiny percentage of people who sell creative works can make a living out of it; the living to be made is in buying their works at a premium, bundling them, and reselling them, while offloading almost all of the risk to the creative as an "advance." Then you're left in a situation where both the buyer of art and the creator of art are desperate to pander to the largest audience possible because everybody is leveraged. It's a dogshit world that creates dogshit art.
Saline9515 1y ago
It still requires work, dedication and produces authenticity. A world where AI can produce music instantly commoditizes it.
- skybrian 1y ago
  Music is already a commodity. You can just buy some anonymous background music to play in your restaurant. No effort required.
  - Saline9515 1y ago
    Yes but I don't want to hear some anonymous background music. A better example would be Spotify replacing artist-made music recommandations with low-quality alternatives, to reduce what it pays to artists. Everyone except Spotify loses in this scenario.
    - rohit89 1y ago
      In the future, everyone will have their own ai agents capable of generating music to their own tastes. They won't be using spotify. The future with AI is not going to be our current world with some parts replaced by AI. It will be a whole new way of life.
      - roywiggins 1y ago
        My prediction is that personal generation is going to be niche forever, for purely social reasons. The demand for fandoms and fan communities seems to be essentially unlimited. Big artists have big fandoms, tiny ones have tiny fandoms, but none of that works with personalized generations.
        HeatrayEnjoyer 1y ago
        Communities around fictional universes are already fractured and shrinking in member size because of the sheer number of algorithmically targeted universes available. Water cooler talk about what happened this week in M.A.S.H. or Friends is extinct. Worse, in the long run even community may be synthesized. If a friend is meat or if they're silicon (or even carbon fiber!), does it matter if you can't tell the difference? It might to pre-modern boomers like me and you.

We already live in a world where a vast library of songs by musicians who play much better than you are readily available on YouTube and Spotify. This seems like more of the same?

podgietaru 1y ago

I like living in a world where I know that people who have spent actually time on nurturing a talent get rewarded for doing so, even if that talent is not something I will ever be good at. I don't want to live in a world where these things are generated cheaply and easily for the profit of a very select few group of people. I know the world doesn't work like I described in the top paragraph. But it's a lot closer to it than the bottom.

wolttam 1y ago
It's hard to see how there will be room for profit as this all advances There will be two classes of media: - Generated, consumed en-masse by uncreative, uninspired individuals looking for cheap thrill - Human created, consumed by discerning individuals seeking out real human talent and expression. Valuing it based merely on the knowledge that a biological brain produced (or helped produce) it. I tend to suspect that the latter will grow in value, not diminish, as time progresses
- skeezyboy 1y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pause_Giant_AI_Experiments:_An_Open_Letter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pause_Giant_AI_Experiments:_An... people said the world could literally end if we train anything bigger than chatgpt4... I would take these projections with a handful of salt
  - pizzathyme 1y ago
    This is an incredible artifact.
  - amarcheschi 1y ago
    At this point we should have been dead for God knows how many times (I'm not going to check yud's Twitter for his actual predictions)
- skybrian 1y ago
  It seems to me that you’re describing Hollywood? Admittedly, there are big budget productions, but Hollywood is all about fakery, it’s cheap for the consumer, and there’s a lot of audience-pleasing dreck. There’s no bright line between computer and human-created video - computer tools are used everywhere.
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bko 1y ago
> I like living in a world where I know that people who have spent actually time on nurturing a talent get rewarded for doing so, even if that talent is not something I will ever be good at. Rewarded how? 99.99% of people who do things like sports or artistic like writing never get "rewarded for doing so", at least in the way I imagine you mean the phrase. The reward is usually the experience itself. When someone picks up a ball or an instrument, they don't do so for some material reward. Why should anyone be rewarded materially for something like this? Why are you so hung up on the <0.001% that can actually make some money now having to enjoy the activity more as a hobby than a profession.
- podgietaru 1y ago
  99.99% of people, really? You think there isn't a huge swath of the economy that are made up of professional writers, artists, musicians, graphic designers, and all the other creative professionals that the producers of these models aim to replicate the skills of? Why am I so "hung up" on the livelihood of these people? Doing art is a Hobby is a good in and of itself. I did not say otherwise. But when I see a movie, when I listen to a song, I want to appreciate the integrity and talent of the people that wrote them. I want them to get paid for that enjoyment. I don't think that's bizarre.
  - holoduke 1y ago
    You can still makes movies , music etc. But now with better tools. Just accept the new reality and try to play this new level. The old won't come back. Its a waste of time to complain and feel frustrated. There are plenty of opportunities to express your creativity.
fantasizr 1y ago
I could see that theater and live music (especially performed on acoustic instruments) become hyper popular because it'll be the only talent worth paying to see when everything else is 'cheaply' made.
pessimizer 1y ago
> I like living in a world where I know that people who have spent actually time on nurturing a talent get rewarded for doing so, even if that talent is not something I will ever be good at. That world has only existed for the last hundred or so years, and the talent is usually brutally exploited by people whose main talent is parasitism. Only a tiny percentage of people who sell creative works can make a living out of it; the living to be made is in buying their works at a premium, bundling them, and reselling them, while offloading almost all of the risk to the creative as an "advance." Then you're left in a situation where both the buyer of art and the creator of art are desperate to pander to the largest audience possible because everybody is leveraged. It's a dogshit world that creates dogshit art.

Saline9515 1y ago

It still requires work, dedication and produces authenticity. A world where AI can produce music instantly commoditizes it.

skybrian 1y ago
Music is already a commodity. You can just buy some anonymous background music to play in your restaurant. No effort required.
- Saline9515 1y ago
  Yes but I don't want to hear some anonymous background music. A better example would be Spotify replacing artist-made music recommandations with low-quality alternatives, to reduce what it pays to artists. Everyone except Spotify loses in this scenario.
  - rohit89 1y ago
    In the future, everyone will have their own ai agents capable of generating music to their own tastes. They won't be using spotify. The future with AI is not going to be our current world with some parts replaced by AI. It will be a whole new way of life.
    - roywiggins 1y ago
      My prediction is that personal generation is going to be niche forever, for purely social reasons. The demand for fandoms and fan communities seems to be essentially unlimited. Big artists have big fandoms, tiny ones have tiny fandoms, but none of that works with personalized generations.
      - HeatrayEnjoyer 1y ago
        Communities around fictional universes are already fractured and shrinking in member size because of the sheer number of algorithmically targeted universes available. Water cooler talk about what happened this week in M.A.S.H. or Friends is extinct. Worse, in the long run even community may be synthesized. If a friend is meat or if they're silicon (or even carbon fiber!), does it matter if you can't tell the difference? It might to pre-modern boomers like me and you.