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> I dont use ai code generation tools Then unfortunately you're leaving yourself at a serious disadvantage. Good for you if you're able to live without a calc

by rob_c 1y ago

> I dont use ai code generation tools Then unfortunately you're leaving yourself at a serious disadvantage. Good for you if you're able to live without a calculator, but frankly the automated tool is faster and leaves you less exhausted so you should be taking advantage of it.

bpt3 1y ago
They are using them, just in a curated and deliberate way. I use it similar to the parent poster when I am working with an unfamiliar API, in that I will ask for simple examples of functionality that I can easily verify are correct and then build upon them quickly. Also, let me know when your calculator regularly hallucinates. I find it exhausting to have an LLM dump out a "finished" implementation and have to spend more time reviewing it than it would take to complete it myself from scratch.
ajaisibsbz 1y ago
Is typing speed a bottle neck for people? Because otherwise you’re offloading thinking to the LLM. Unless you can understand code faster than you can write it (which I’ve never experienced - best case scenario I can understand as fast as I read). As a junior I used to think it was ok to spend much less time on the review than the writing, but unless the author has diligently detailed their entire process a good review often takes nearly as long. And unsurprisingly enough working with an AI effectively requires that detail in a format the AI can understand (which often takes longer than just doing it).
- rob_c 1y ago
  > Is typing speed a bottle neck for people? Yes, if it isn't your being overpaid in the view of a lot of people. Step out of the way and let an expert use the keyboard. How can you not read and understand code but spend time writing it? That's bad code in that situation. Source: try working with assembly and binary objects only which really do require working out what's going on. Code is meant to be human readable remember...
Wilder7977 1y ago
That's a very narrow perspective. Will the tool deskill me? Will the tool lower my work quality? Will the tool make a bigger share of my work reviewing vs thinking and creating? Will the tool make the work overall less interesting (which motivates me)? Etc. Etc. This is even assuming that the FOMO is justified. So fat studies don't show this is the case, but things might change.
shortrounddev2 1y ago
Writing code is the only part of my job that I like. Im not exhausted by coding because I love coding. Im exhausted by pointless meetings, talking to clients, and trying to bring non technical people up to speed with what im working on. Allowing a machine to write code for me and then manually editing it sounds like a really really miserable way to spend the precious little time I have on this earth

by rob_c 1y ago

bpt3 1y ago

They are using them, just in a curated and deliberate way. I use it similar to the parent poster when I am working with an unfamiliar API, in that I will ask for simple examples of functionality that I can easily verify are correct and then build upon them quickly. Also, let me know when your calculator regularly hallucinates. I find it exhausting to have an LLM dump out a "finished" implementation and have to spend more time reviewing it than it would take to complete it myself from scratch.

ajaisibsbz 1y ago

Is typing speed a bottle neck for people? Because otherwise you’re offloading thinking to the LLM. Unless you can understand code faster than you can write it (which I’ve never experienced - best case scenario I can understand as fast as I read). As a junior I used to think it was ok to spend much less time on the review than the writing, but unless the author has diligently detailed their entire process a good review often takes nearly as long. And unsurprisingly enough working with an AI effectively requires that detail in a format the AI can understand (which often takes longer than just doing it).

rob_c 1y ago
> Is typing speed a bottle neck for people? Yes, if it isn't your being overpaid in the view of a lot of people. Step out of the way and let an expert use the keyboard. How can you not read and understand code but spend time writing it? That's bad code in that situation. Source: try working with assembly and binary objects only which really do require working out what's going on. Code is meant to be human readable remember...

Wilder7977 1y ago

That's a very narrow perspective. Will the tool deskill me? Will the tool lower my work quality? Will the tool make a bigger share of my work reviewing vs thinking and creating? Will the tool make the work overall less interesting (which motivates me)? Etc. Etc. This is even assuming that the FOMO is justified. So fat studies don't show this is the case, but things might change.

shortrounddev2 1y ago

Writing code is the only part of my job that I like. Im not exhausted by coding because I love coding. Im exhausted by pointless meetings, talking to clients, and trying to bring non technical people up to speed with what im working on. Allowing a machine to write code for me and then manually editing it sounds like a really really miserable way to spend the precious little time I have on this earth