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This is becoming a real problem because the drivers/software for the Coral AI boards is yet another example of Google Abandonware(tm) which has a hard dependenc

This is becoming a real problem because the drivers/software for the Coral AI boards is yet another example of Google Abandonware(tm) which has a hard dependency on a Paleolithic-era version of Python. Comically, the hardware is still sold. In so many words if you expect to use the Coral boards you are stuck on EOL versions of Debian/Ubuntu - which have terribly old video drivers and missing kernel GPU support. There's a good chance your modern GPU - even well-supported Intel ones - won't work. Imagine buying new hardware in 2025 whose software still required Windows 7.

Cyph0n 1y ago
Re: outdated Python: Isn’t this a perfect usecase for Docker? Nix/NixOS is another option.
- smokel 1y ago
  No. You might get it to run, but you would also get old security exploits to run.
  - Cyph0n 1y ago
    Yes, it is, because then you aren’t stuck with a EOL distribution where you get even more security issues to deal with (vs. just EOL Python). Also, what kind of “security exploits” would an outdated Python result in if the Python interpreter itself isn’t serving a network port or accepting arbitrary user input in general? I assume Frigate itself isn’t running the web app on the same Python version - it’s likely just the Coral SDK that requires an outdated Python version.
  - dns_snek 1y ago
    It's fine, you're not running a network-accessible part of the service on unpatched software. The only input this part of the software requires is trusted configuration data and a video feed which could hypothetically be malicious, but then the question becomes why you're running an adversarial camera on your network, and why you're allowing it to connect to the internet to fetch latest exploits and C&C instructions. You can also transcode the video before feeding it to any outdated software and run it in a VM if you're paranoid.
    - nijave 1y ago
      Never underestimate the power of a specially crafted raccoon whose appearance can trigger a buffer overrun

Cyph0n 1y ago

Re: outdated Python: Isn’t this a perfect usecase for Docker? Nix/NixOS is another option.

smokel 1y ago
No. You might get it to run, but you would also get old security exploits to run.
- Cyph0n 1y ago
  Yes, it is, because then you aren’t stuck with a EOL distribution where you get even more security issues to deal with (vs. just EOL Python). Also, what kind of “security exploits” would an outdated Python result in if the Python interpreter itself isn’t serving a network port or accepting arbitrary user input in general? I assume Frigate itself isn’t running the web app on the same Python version - it’s likely just the Coral SDK that requires an outdated Python version.
- dns_snek 1y ago
  It's fine, you're not running a network-accessible part of the service on unpatched software. The only input this part of the software requires is trusted configuration data and a video feed which could hypothetically be malicious, but then the question becomes why you're running an adversarial camera on your network, and why you're allowing it to connect to the internet to fetch latest exploits and C&C instructions. You can also transcode the video before feeding it to any outdated software and run it in a VM if you're paranoid.
  - nijave 1y ago
    Never underestimate the power of a specially crafted raccoon whose appearance can trigger a buffer overrun