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Perhaps you forgot to answer the question.

by henry2023 1y ago

matheusmoreira 1y ago
There's no point in answering a question whose premises are invalid. The question was predicated on Bolsonaro being responsible for it. He wasn't. He straight up tried to stop those people. There were lots of protests prior to that so called "attack". I saw him trying to call them all off. Numerous times. People protested anyway. Because they understood that Brazil was not a democracy. He is a coward. He did literally nothing while the judge-kings were silencing his supporters with no due process. While people were going to jail in order to protect everything he came to represent, he was in the USA enjoying a vacation as if nothing was happening. He betrayed every single person who ever supported him from the very beginning. And yet people are still assembling in the streets to protest the political unelected supreme court. Whatever Bolsonaro may or may not have started, it's bigger than him now. His current usefulness is limited to the fact Trump apparently likes him enough to sanction the brazilian despots who are persecuting him.
- lesuorac 1y ago
  > Whatever Bolsonaro may or may not have started, it's bigger than him now. I mean, it's a pretty big deal if he started it or not. Punish crimes or take the laws off the books. https://web.archive.org/web/20230108201723/https://www.businessinsider.com/brazil-bolsonaro-backing-capitol-riot-inspired-coup-former-leaders-warn-2021-9 https://web.archive.org/web/20230108201723/https://www.busin...
  - matheusmoreira 1y ago
    There are no laws against protests or the questioning of voting machines in Brazil. Quite the contrary, our constitution is quite explicit in defending political freedom of expression. What are you supposed to do when the supreme court starts violating the law and the constitution? Who are you supposed to turn to? Their abuses started in 2019 with a "fake news" censorship inquisition and by 2021 they were disproportionately censoring Bolsonaro and his supporters for "fake news". Suddenly everything they said was "fake news", even provably true statements. People started to understand the court answered to no one and had itself launched a silent coup against brazilian institutions. That's the "countercoup" messaging in the article you cited. If I had to point out someone as the "mastermind" of all this, I would say it was the supreme court. Society is merely trying to react to their profoundly destabilizing actions. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44748869 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44748869 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36543423 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36543423
    - mitchbob 1y ago
      > What are you supposed to do...? Well, you can > ...[seek] to violently overthrow the democratically elected president Lula, who had been inaugurated on 1 January. Many rioters said their purpose was to spur military leaders to launch a "military intervention" (related to a misinterpretation of the 142nd article of the Brazilian constitution and a euphemism for a coup d'état) and disrupt the democratic transition of power. > Several law enforcement officers assaulted and injured by rioters, at least 44 hospitalized [1] You can have, in Donald Trump's words, "a day of love." [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_January_Bras%C3%ADlia_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_January_Bras%C3%ADlia_attack... [2] https://www.npr.org/2024/10/29/nx-s1-5159868/2024-election-trump-harris-capitol-riot https://www.npr.org/2024/10/29/nx-s1-5159868/2024-election-t...
      - matheusmoreira 1y ago
        If only he could claim responsibility for that. Like I said, he betrayed all of those people. By January 8th, he had already given up and was in the USA enjoying a "vacation". Those protests happened in spite of him.
        hshdhdhj4444 1y ago
        Ah yes, absolutely innocent people usually flee to other nations minutes after losing an election and coincidentally also have a palace coup happen at the same time.

Perhaps you forgot to answer the question.

There's no point in answering a question whose premises are invalid. The question was predicated on Bolsonaro being responsible for it. He wasn't. He straight up tried to stop those people. There were lots of protests prior to that so called "attack". I saw him trying to call them all off. Numerous times. People protested anyway. Because they understood that Brazil was not a democracy. He is a coward. He did literally nothing while the judge-kings were silencing his supporters with no due process. While people were going to jail in order to protect everything he came to represent, he was in the USA enjoying a vacation as if nothing was happening. He betrayed every single person who ever supported him from the very beginning. And yet people are still assembling in the streets to protest the political unelected supreme court. Whatever Bolsonaro may or may not have started, it's bigger than him now. His current usefulness is limited to the fact Trump apparently likes him enough to sanction the brazilian despots who are persecuting him.

lesuorac 1y ago
> Whatever Bolsonaro may or may not have started, it's bigger than him now. I mean, it's a pretty big deal if he started it or not. Punish crimes or take the laws off the books. https://web.archive.org/web/20230108201723/https://www.businessinsider.com/brazil-bolsonaro-backing-capitol-riot-inspired-coup-former-leaders-warn-2021-9 https://web.archive.org/web/20230108201723/https://www.busin...
- matheusmoreira 1y ago
  There are no laws against protests or the questioning of voting machines in Brazil. Quite the contrary, our constitution is quite explicit in defending political freedom of expression. What are you supposed to do when the supreme court starts violating the law and the constitution? Who are you supposed to turn to? Their abuses started in 2019 with a "fake news" censorship inquisition and by 2021 they were disproportionately censoring Bolsonaro and his supporters for "fake news". Suddenly everything they said was "fake news", even provably true statements. People started to understand the court answered to no one and had itself launched a silent coup against brazilian institutions. That's the "countercoup" messaging in the article you cited. If I had to point out someone as the "mastermind" of all this, I would say it was the supreme court. Society is merely trying to react to their profoundly destabilizing actions. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44748869 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44748869 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39966382 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36543423 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36543423
  - mitchbob 1y ago
    > What are you supposed to do...? Well, you can > ...[seek] to violently overthrow the democratically elected president Lula, who had been inaugurated on 1 January. Many rioters said their purpose was to spur military leaders to launch a "military intervention" (related to a misinterpretation of the 142nd article of the Brazilian constitution and a euphemism for a coup d'état) and disrupt the democratic transition of power. > Several law enforcement officers assaulted and injured by rioters, at least 44 hospitalized [1] You can have, in Donald Trump's words, "a day of love." [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_January_Bras%C3%ADlia_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_January_Bras%C3%ADlia_attack... [2] https://www.npr.org/2024/10/29/nx-s1-5159868/2024-election-trump-harris-capitol-riot https://www.npr.org/2024/10/29/nx-s1-5159868/2024-election-t...
    - matheusmoreira 1y ago
      If only he could claim responsibility for that. Like I said, he betrayed all of those people. By January 8th, he had already given up and was in the USA enjoying a "vacation". Those protests happened in spite of him.
      - hshdhdhj4444 1y ago
        Ah yes, absolutely innocent people usually flee to other nations minutes after losing an election and coincidentally also have a palace coup happen at the same time.