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Right, and then if the US parent company orders EU managers to violate EU law, and when the managers refuse, replaces them with EU managers stupid enough to obe

Right, and then if the US parent company orders EU managers to violate EU law, and when the managers refuse, replaces them with EU managers stupid enough to obey an illegal order - then what happens? The new EU managers get arrested and possibly end up in prison. Worse case scenario for the US parent, is the US parent company is (civilly or criminally) prosecuted under EU (or member state) law for giving the illegal order, convicted, and then as punishment, they are deprived of their local assets, including ownership of the subsidiary in question. The parent company is ultimately at greater risk than the subsidiary-the parent can be deprived of ownership of its subsidiary, there is no equivalent consequence for the subsidiary.

lazide 1y ago
Assuming it ever gets detected, which certainly isn’t going to be common eh? I’m not really sure the point of your comment, actually. Are you asserting that no one would ever tell someone to do anything illegal because someone else might get in trouble for it? Because if so, you might want to read the news?
blibble 1y ago
> replaces them with EU managers why would they do that? they'd put a US manager there temporarily
- skissane 1y ago
  That would be illegal. They are offering this service to EU governments (and government contractors) under contractual terms which promise EU management. Replacing the EU management with a US manager would at a minimum be a breach of contract - and since some of these contracts are for sensitive / national security use cases, possibly much more serious legal consequences than just garden variety breach of contract
  - blibble 1y ago
    > Replacing the EU management with a US manager would at a minimum be a breach of contract - and since some of these contracts are for sensitive / national security use cases, possibly much more serious legal consequences than just garden variety breach of contract and the EU has no leverage to do anything about it if they did they wouldn't have selected AWS "Sovereign" cloud in the first place
    - skissane 1y ago
      > and the EU has no leverage to do anything about it Absolutely they do have leverage – maximum they could possibly do would be confiscate Amazon's EU assets (physical, financial, corporate and intellectual)
      - blibble 1y ago
        > maximum they could possibly do would be confiscate Amazon's EU assets so they can turn off their own critical services? threatening to shoot yourself in the foot with a tactical nuke is not leverage
        skissane 1y ago
        Confiscating a subsidiary doesn't shut down its computer systems. That would require humans to do additional – and very likely criminal – acts of retaliation.
        lazide 1y ago
        At the point someone has seized an Amazon subsidiary, of course ACLs will change, equipment will get shutdown, etc. And no one will care about whatever claims of ‘criminal retaliation’ there are, because it’s already crossed that line eh? It’s not like the domestic employees will be doing it anyway - or would need to be involved.
    - crazygringo 1y ago
      The EU has no leverage? This is located within the EU. They can walk in and arrest the US manager or deport them immediately, and throw any direct reports in jail if they obey the US manager. The EU has all the leverage here. Sovereignty over a geographical area does actually mean something.

lazide 1y ago

Assuming it ever gets detected, which certainly isn’t going to be common eh? I’m not really sure the point of your comment, actually. Are you asserting that no one would ever tell someone to do anything illegal because someone else might get in trouble for it? Because if so, you might want to read the news?

blibble 1y ago

> replaces them with EU managers why would they do that? they'd put a US manager there temporarily

skissane 1y ago
That would be illegal. They are offering this service to EU governments (and government contractors) under contractual terms which promise EU management. Replacing the EU management with a US manager would at a minimum be a breach of contract - and since some of these contracts are for sensitive / national security use cases, possibly much more serious legal consequences than just garden variety breach of contract
- blibble 1y ago
  > Replacing the EU management with a US manager would at a minimum be a breach of contract - and since some of these contracts are for sensitive / national security use cases, possibly much more serious legal consequences than just garden variety breach of contract and the EU has no leverage to do anything about it if they did they wouldn't have selected AWS "Sovereign" cloud in the first place
  - skissane 1y ago
    > and the EU has no leverage to do anything about it Absolutely they do have leverage – maximum they could possibly do would be confiscate Amazon's EU assets (physical, financial, corporate and intellectual)
    - blibble 1y ago
      > maximum they could possibly do would be confiscate Amazon's EU assets so they can turn off their own critical services? threatening to shoot yourself in the foot with a tactical nuke is not leverage
      - skissane 1y ago
        Confiscating a subsidiary doesn't shut down its computer systems. That would require humans to do additional – and very likely criminal – acts of retaliation.
        lazide 1y ago
        At the point someone has seized an Amazon subsidiary, of course ACLs will change, equipment will get shutdown, etc. And no one will care about whatever claims of ‘criminal retaliation’ there are, because it’s already crossed that line eh? It’s not like the domestic employees will be doing it anyway - or would need to be involved.
  - crazygringo 1y ago
    The EU has no leverage? This is located within the EU. They can walk in and arrest the US manager or deport them immediately, and throw any direct reports in jail if they obey the US manager. The EU has all the leverage here. Sovereignty over a geographical area does actually mean something.