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Well I guess you can make anything the govt's business if you give it the appropriate label.

shadowgovt 1y ago
It's been the government's business to tell people how to run their business since at least the time Hammurabi had people carving his laws into stele. Honestly, I've never heard anyone suggest seriously that management of business activity as part of law isn't part of the government's purview; there are at least two specific instances of it in the US Constitution.
- lazyeye 1y ago
  I'm not sure what to make of your argument. Because the govt does manage some aspects of business, this therefore means they are entitled to manage all aspects of business? The govt could also then dictate what the workers eat, what the workers wear, what the workers talk about, how often they have meetings etc etc. This is all justified apparently because Hammurabi whatever....
  - shadowgovt 1y ago
    The government more or less does, indeed, do those things already. Food safety standards and inspections. OSHA PPE requirements. Collective action protection and the requirements of employers to post know-your-rights literature. Break constraints, where applicable. "We already know what you are, we're just negotiating on the price," as the saying goes. These powers of government are only controversial among the sorts of people who ended up with a bear infestation in their town when they managed to gain political control because they couldn't see their way to local ordnances against feeding wildlife (a bear infestation that they were bailed out of by the state their town was in).
    - lazyeye 1y ago
      This is not complicated. Food safety,work safety is not overreach. Dictating to businesses where they should locate their employees absolutely is overreach.
      - shadowgovt 1y ago
        OSHA requires the building to be habitable, to have relatively narrow temperature and humidity bands for an office building. it requires on-site bathroom facilities. You can't just locate your employees in an uninsulated warehouse with a hole in the ground out back to do office work, not if you don't want the feds up your ass. If we, as a society, decide that burning tons of fossil fuels to go to and from buildings just to do the same computer stuff we can do at home is actually bad for society... Is it outside the purview of government to disincentivize offices completely? "We already know what you are, we're just negotiating on the price."

It's been the government's business to tell people how to run their business since at least the time Hammurabi had people carving his laws into stele. Honestly, I've never heard anyone suggest seriously that management of business activity as part of law isn't part of the government's purview; there are at least two specific instances of it in the US Constitution.

lazyeye 1y ago
I'm not sure what to make of your argument. Because the govt does manage some aspects of business, this therefore means they are entitled to manage all aspects of business? The govt could also then dictate what the workers eat, what the workers wear, what the workers talk about, how often they have meetings etc etc. This is all justified apparently because Hammurabi whatever....
- shadowgovt 1y ago
  The government more or less does, indeed, do those things already. Food safety standards and inspections. OSHA PPE requirements. Collective action protection and the requirements of employers to post know-your-rights literature. Break constraints, where applicable. "We already know what you are, we're just negotiating on the price," as the saying goes. These powers of government are only controversial among the sorts of people who ended up with a bear infestation in their town when they managed to gain political control because they couldn't see their way to local ordnances against feeding wildlife (a bear infestation that they were bailed out of by the state their town was in).
  - lazyeye 1y ago
    This is not complicated. Food safety,work safety is not overreach. Dictating to businesses where they should locate their employees absolutely is overreach.
    - shadowgovt 1y ago
      OSHA requires the building to be habitable, to have relatively narrow temperature and humidity bands for an office building. it requires on-site bathroom facilities. You can't just locate your employees in an uninsulated warehouse with a hole in the ground out back to do office work, not if you don't want the feds up your ass. If we, as a society, decide that burning tons of fossil fuels to go to and from buildings just to do the same computer stuff we can do at home is actually bad for society... Is it outside the purview of government to disincentivize offices completely? "We already know what you are, we're just negotiating on the price."