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It’s genuinely hard to overstate the sheer magnitude of long term reputational damage this Israeli government has done to the nation of Israel itself. I saw a

by mdhb 1y ago

It’s genuinely hard to overstate the sheer magnitude of long term reputational damage this Israeli government has done to the nation of Israel itself. I saw a video[1] today where I think there was essentially every living ex leader of Israel’s various intelligence agencies stating that Netanyahu and his allies have essentially taken the country hostage and they see it very much as an existential threat from which they might not survive. Honestly it’s kind of hard to disagree with that analysis at this point from what I am seeing. [1] https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lvl4ynf3222d https://bsky.app/profile/newseye.bsky.social/post/3lvl4ynf32...

edm0nd 1y ago
>It’s genuinely hard to overstate the sheer magnitude of long term reputational damage this Israeli government has done to the nation of Israel itself. Hard to see how that could ever be possible given that the have the full support of the US and all its politicians for the past several decades. We give them way too much military support and aide/funding. Only way I can see their down fall is if we decide to support and prop up another country in the middle east area instead of them.
- mdhb 1y ago
  If you stop to look at this issue from any other angle than US politics for even a moment you will see very quickly that the US is really the odd one out here and also on their own special path towards international pariah status.
  - GordonS 1y ago
    Unfortunately that's not the case - Israel also has the full backing of the UK, France, Germany, and the EU apparatus.
    - mdhb 1y ago
      That’s objectively not true. Just this week France and the UK I believe both said they would be recognising Palestinian statehood in September. Germany won’t come out and say this publicly because of their own complicated history but this general ideal that Europe is on board with Israel is months out of date and support is dropping rapidly by the day.
      - GordonS 1y ago
        UK and France's recent announcements cannot be taken at face value - they are purely performative (they are contingent on the Israeli genocide of Palestinians continuing!), seemingly desined to distance themselves just enough from the images of overt, forced starvation, while also doing nothing to stop it. Arms are still being sold to Israel. Training is still being provided to the IDF. Protestors are still arrested on behalf of Israel.
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    - polotics 1y ago
      "Country X having the full backing of country Y" clearly here means as much backing as possible to ensure criminals from X get hard consequences if they ever set foot in Y. Helping neutralize criminals from a country is a good way to help that country.
  - edm0nd 1y ago
    totally agree.
dariosalvi78 1y ago
it's not just reputational damage, that's the damage now. They are basically creating the conditions for justifying any sort of action from (former) allies and enemies.

by mdhb 1y ago

edm0nd 1y ago

>It’s genuinely hard to overstate the sheer magnitude of long term reputational damage this Israeli government has done to the nation of Israel itself. Hard to see how that could ever be possible given that the have the full support of the US and all its politicians for the past several decades. We give them way too much military support and aide/funding. Only way I can see their down fall is if we decide to support and prop up another country in the middle east area instead of them.

mdhb 1y ago
If you stop to look at this issue from any other angle than US politics for even a moment you will see very quickly that the US is really the odd one out here and also on their own special path towards international pariah status.
- GordonS 1y ago
  Unfortunately that's not the case - Israel also has the full backing of the UK, France, Germany, and the EU apparatus.
  - mdhb 1y ago
    That’s objectively not true. Just this week France and the UK I believe both said they would be recognising Palestinian statehood in September. Germany won’t come out and say this publicly because of their own complicated history but this general ideal that Europe is on board with Israel is months out of date and support is dropping rapidly by the day.
    - GordonS 1y ago
      UK and France's recent announcements cannot be taken at face value - they are purely performative (they are contingent on the Israeli genocide of Palestinians continuing!), seemingly desined to distance themselves just enough from the images of overt, forced starvation, while also doing nothing to stop it. Arms are still being sold to Israel. Training is still being provided to the IDF. Protestors are still arrested on behalf of Israel.
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  - polotics 1y ago
    "Country X having the full backing of country Y" clearly here means as much backing as possible to ensure criminals from X get hard consequences if they ever set foot in Y. Helping neutralize criminals from a country is a good way to help that country.
- edm0nd 1y ago
  totally agree.

dariosalvi78 1y ago

it's not just reputational damage, that's the damage now. They are basically creating the conditions for justifying any sort of action from (former) allies and enemies.