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You are giving advice to some of the dumbest people in the country. I'm not saying its bad advice, but these people are universally stupid. I don't know exact

You are giving advice to some of the dumbest people in the country. I'm not saying its bad advice, but these people are universally stupid. I don't know exactly why things ended up this way, but I'd love to hear where this isn't a truth.

SV_BubbleTime 1y ago
Try and convince me that HR departments aren’t majority jobs programs for the less intellectually fortunate. It would be an uphill battle.
- franktankbank 1y ago
  You:Me <-> Preacher:Choir I actually have much more negative thoughts than that, but I'm told we should assume they are stupid rather than malicious.
  - jeffrallen 1y ago
    If you don't think HR is malicious, you should read Company by Max Barry.
    - franktankbank 1y ago
      I'm sure we are on the same team here but I try not to base my attitudes on works of fiction.
- johnnyanmac 1y ago
  My main counterargument here is that many office jobs don't need "intellectual fortune". Society needs to be honest and know when you just need people for accountability's sake, for small and/or odd ends to meet, or to manage clerical tasks that pile up. And remember that humans who do a role for a whike get really good at it, if you don't fire them after a few months to make earnings calls look 1% better. Title inflation is a phenomenon spread far beyond tech.we shouldn't shame "learnable on the job work", but we don't need to pretend everyone is a VP either. HR in this case is there to allegedly help resolve problems with workers (reality: there to help prevent or alleviate the workload of lawyers). They have no business in recruiting past maybe a behavioral call.
  - franktankbank 1y ago
    > Society needs to be honest > They have no business in recruiting past maybe a behavioral call.
flkiwi 1y ago
They are dumb and they are mean because they are empowered and they have access to secrets. And a department's designated HR person will not respond to questions from anyone lower than a VP, and when they do they'll point you to the company intranet.
ed_elliott_asc 1y ago
Don’t hold back with your opinions!
- franktankbank 1y ago
  Haha, ya I wouldn't ever recommend anyone behave the way I behave.
jjk166 1y ago
Debris tends to collect in spots that never get cleaned. For some reason, HR never seems to lay off HR.
- prewett 1y ago
  Wasn’t HR a large part of the tech layoffs a couple years ago?
  - scruple 1y ago
    It was at my BigTechCo except then they had to backfill and the people they got to replace them are frankly assholes compared to the people they laid off.
ludicity 1y ago
I took a run at recruiting recently and it's so easy to outperform recruiters that it's honestly depressing. Just replying to emails at the times I promised made candidates self-report that I'm the best recruiter they've ever worked with.
- nlawalker 1y ago
  Depends on your definition of “outperform”… if recruiters were being evaluated on what the candidates think of them they’d try harder in that respect.
  - ludicity 1y ago
    Companies don't like recruiters either, and they're the ones willing to pay me!
nyarlathotep_ 1y ago
> You are giving advice to some of the dumbest people in the country. I'm not saying its bad advice, but these people are universally stupid. I don't know exactly why things ended up this way, but I'd love to hear where this isn't a truth. These organizations are so dysfunctional on this front too, in so many ways. Even when the technical people communicate "requirements" to HR, it's often a scattershot of everything the department touched even in some ancillary fashion in the last 5 years, and now ends up a game of telephone that, because someone in the department wants to migrate to 'Hive MQ', it's a "hard requirement" with 7-YOE required even tho it was literally just a managers' idea with no implementation path aside from a sprint ticket to "discuss it." They allegedly need "an expert in IOT" but you'll spend 6 months configuring GitHub runners for some Java CRUD thing. Companies accidentally, by product of pure dysfunction, end up rug pulling people all the time.

SV_BubbleTime 1y ago

Try and convince me that HR departments aren’t majority jobs programs for the less intellectually fortunate. It would be an uphill battle.

franktankbank 1y ago
You:Me <-> Preacher:Choir I actually have much more negative thoughts than that, but I'm told we should assume they are stupid rather than malicious.
- jeffrallen 1y ago
  If you don't think HR is malicious, you should read Company by Max Barry.
  - franktankbank 1y ago
    I'm sure we are on the same team here but I try not to base my attitudes on works of fiction.
johnnyanmac 1y ago
My main counterargument here is that many office jobs don't need "intellectual fortune". Society needs to be honest and know when you just need people for accountability's sake, for small and/or odd ends to meet, or to manage clerical tasks that pile up. And remember that humans who do a role for a whike get really good at it, if you don't fire them after a few months to make earnings calls look 1% better. Title inflation is a phenomenon spread far beyond tech.we shouldn't shame "learnable on the job work", but we don't need to pretend everyone is a VP either. HR in this case is there to allegedly help resolve problems with workers (reality: there to help prevent or alleviate the workload of lawyers). They have no business in recruiting past maybe a behavioral call.
- franktankbank 1y ago
  > Society needs to be honest > They have no business in recruiting past maybe a behavioral call.

flkiwi 1y ago

They are dumb and they are mean because they are empowered and they have access to secrets. And a department's designated HR person will not respond to questions from anyone lower than a VP, and when they do they'll point you to the company intranet.

ed_elliott_asc 1y ago

Don’t hold back with your opinions!

franktankbank 1y ago
Haha, ya I wouldn't ever recommend anyone behave the way I behave.

jjk166 1y ago

Debris tends to collect in spots that never get cleaned. For some reason, HR never seems to lay off HR.

prewett 1y ago
Wasn’t HR a large part of the tech layoffs a couple years ago?
- scruple 1y ago
  It was at my BigTechCo except then they had to backfill and the people they got to replace them are frankly assholes compared to the people they laid off.

ludicity 1y ago

I took a run at recruiting recently and it's so easy to outperform recruiters that it's honestly depressing. Just replying to emails at the times I promised made candidates self-report that I'm the best recruiter they've ever worked with.

nlawalker 1y ago
Depends on your definition of “outperform”… if recruiters were being evaluated on what the candidates think of them they’d try harder in that respect.
- ludicity 1y ago
  Companies don't like recruiters either, and they're the ones willing to pay me!

nyarlathotep_ 1y ago

> You are giving advice to some of the dumbest people in the country. I'm not saying its bad advice, but these people are universally stupid. I don't know exactly why things ended up this way, but I'd love to hear where this isn't a truth. These organizations are so dysfunctional on this front too, in so many ways. Even when the technical people communicate "requirements" to HR, it's often a scattershot of everything the department touched even in some ancillary fashion in the last 5 years, and now ends up a game of telephone that, because someone in the department wants to migrate to 'Hive MQ', it's a "hard requirement" with 7-YOE required even tho it was literally just a managers' idea with no implementation path aside from a sprint ticket to "discuss it." They allegedly need "an expert in IOT" but you'll spend 6 months configuring GitHub runners for some Java CRUD thing. Companies accidentally, by product of pure dysfunction, end up rug pulling people all the time.