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> "Stealth" crawlers are always going to win the game. no, because we'll end up with remote attestation needed to access any site of value

gkbrk 1y ago
Almost no site of value will use remote attestation because an alternative that works will all of your devices, operating systems, ad blockers and extensions will attract more users than your locked-down site.
- blibble 1y ago
  tell that to the massive content sites already using widevine
- bakugo 1y ago
  > alternative that works will all of your devices, operating systems, ad blockers and extensions When 99.9% of users are using the same few types of locked down devices, operating systems, and browsers that all support remote attestation, the 0.1% doesn't matter. This is already the case on mobile devices, it's only a matter of time until computers become just as locked down.
Buttons840 1y ago
Yes, because there's always the option for a camera pointed at the screen and a robot arm moving the mouse. AI is hoping to solve much harder problems.
- _1tem 1y ago
  Won't work with biometric attestation. For example, banks in China require periodic facial recognition to continue the banking session.
  - DaSHacka 1y ago
    What's stopping these companies from offloading the scraping onto their users? "Either pay us $50/month or install our extension, and when prompted, solve any captchas or authenticate with your ID (as applicable) on the given website so we can train on the content.
  - muyuu 1y ago
    yea but those are not open sites, try imposing that on an open site you'd want to actually attract human traffic to
    - Tokumei-no-hito 1y ago
      see, literally, reddit requiring teenagers to open their mouth and roll their heads around to enter.
      - Trung0246 1y ago
        I heard that it could be easily bypass through realistic 3D human game model with basic mouth open and head tilt animation, even gmod can do such thing.
theptip 1y ago
But for the case of Perplexity-User, presumably the user is in the loop to provide their attestation. This case (“go research this subject for me”) is the grey area here. It’s not the same as simple scraping or search indexing, it’s a new activity that is similar in some ways.

gkbrk 1y ago

Almost no site of value will use remote attestation because an alternative that works will all of your devices, operating systems, ad blockers and extensions will attract more users than your locked-down site.

blibble 1y ago
tell that to the massive content sites already using widevine
bakugo 1y ago
> alternative that works will all of your devices, operating systems, ad blockers and extensions When 99.9% of users are using the same few types of locked down devices, operating systems, and browsers that all support remote attestation, the 0.1% doesn't matter. This is already the case on mobile devices, it's only a matter of time until computers become just as locked down.

Buttons840 1y ago

Yes, because there's always the option for a camera pointed at the screen and a robot arm moving the mouse. AI is hoping to solve much harder problems.

_1tem 1y ago
Won't work with biometric attestation. For example, banks in China require periodic facial recognition to continue the banking session.
- DaSHacka 1y ago
  What's stopping these companies from offloading the scraping onto their users? "Either pay us $50/month or install our extension, and when prompted, solve any captchas or authenticate with your ID (as applicable) on the given website so we can train on the content.
- muyuu 1y ago
  yea but those are not open sites, try imposing that on an open site you'd want to actually attract human traffic to
  - Tokumei-no-hito 1y ago
    see, literally, reddit requiring teenagers to open their mouth and roll their heads around to enter.
    - Trung0246 1y ago
      I heard that it could be easily bypass through realistic 3D human game model with basic mouth open and head tilt animation, even gmod can do such thing.

theptip 1y ago

But for the case of Perplexity-User, presumably the user is in the loop to provide their attestation. This case (“go research this subject for me”) is the grey area here. It’s not the same as simple scraping or search indexing, it’s a new activity that is similar in some ways.