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Despite the name, openipc isn't fully open - the main recorder/encoder app (majestic) is closed source. Many openipc developers have moved to an alternative pro

Despite the name, openipc isn't fully open - the main recorder/encoder app (majestic) is closed source. Many openipc developers have moved to an alternative project named "thingino" which has a fully open source recorder/encoder/streamer.

stragies 1y ago
This project only seems to support Ingenic SOCs (as per https://github.com/themactep/thingino-firmware https://github.com/themactep/thingino-firmware). A far cry from the list supported by openipcam. Edit: But they have a list of product names, where they support installation of Thingino: https://github.com/themactep/thingino-firmware/blob/master/docs/supported_hardware.md https://github.com/themactep/thingino-firmware/blob/master/d...
- cnst 1y ago
  > https://github.com/themactep/thingino-firmware/blob/master/docs/supported_hardware.md https://github.com/themactep/thingino-firmware/blob/master/d... Good list. Happy to see Imou and Wansview on the list, these "unknown" brands have been selling directly on Amazon US for a while now: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Wansview/page/1E1F86AB-C01A-4575-8EE7-86A7CD7D18B3 https://www.amazon.com/stores/Wansview/page/1E1F86AB-C01A-45... https://www.amazon.com/stores/Imou/page/73EC8A3D-1E78-42C5-8DF9-A91CF2D4A88E https://www.amazon.com/stores/Imou/page/73EC8A3D-1E78-42C5-8...
- wltechblog 1y ago
  The ING in Thingino stands for Ingenic. The Ingenic chips are MIPS, all the other cams are ARM. Focusing on these chips allows us to produce a firmware that actually works (not my experience with openipc) and is already configured for a specific product so you don't have to spend hours figuring out specifics for your camera to enable the hardware features!
  - stragies 1y ago
    Thank you for your work! Can you recommend a compatible LAN POE camera available on Amazon(.de?)
    - wltechblog 1y ago
      POE hasn't really made it to the commodity level you'll find on Amazon. There are some Vanhua models available on Aliexpress.. we also have some users successfully using various POE to USB adapters. I don't use one myself so i can't personally vouch for one... note that not all cams have data available on their USB ports, if you have questions about a specific choice, come visit us on Discord!
asveikau 1y ago
I guess encoder app is separate from encoder proper, because I have to assume the bulk of the encoder is done in hardware. I mean, those things can do realtime h265 in 4k without a beefy CPU or getting hot.
- wltechblog 1y ago
  Most of the image/video related stuff is done in the hardware, as well as a bunch of other functionality that would be hard to do on a 1 watt cpu. Check out the block diagram of the T31 processor: https://en.ingenic.com.cn/products-detail/id-21.html https://en.ingenic.com.cn/products-detail/id-21.html Our streamer (prudynt-t) communicates with those blocks to handle settings, overlays, etc and receives the pre-processed image/video/audio data, packages it up for rtsp//mjpeg/etc, and handles client connections, motion sending, day/night vision, etc. This is the status quo for ip cameras regardless of vendor!
  - cnst 1y ago
    How much memory do these cams have? What's the beefiest camera that's still a good value, e.g., cheap? Any support 5GHz yet?
    - wltechblog 1y ago
      These processors range between 32 and 128 megabytes of ram, and a chunk of that is reserved at bootup for the hardware feature blocks. We have a couple devices that support 5ghz, but I don't think any of them are on my favorites list. I picked up a Wansview G6 which is a light bulb format cam, my least favorite, but it was our first dual band device. More to follow!
      - cnst 1y ago
        That seems very little RAM, do they even support ssh? Is there a comparison table which devices have how much RAM etc? BTW, do you know if Amcrest ASH21 are supported? They look identical to Imou Ranger 2 from the front, although Amcrest does have an RJ45 in the back, whereas Ranger 2 possible doesn't?
crazysim 1y ago
https://thingino.com/ https://thingino.com/ I love how the front page doesn't scream SOCs/SOMs to you and is just straight up here's the compatible cameras with pictures (with some SOM info below).
- cnst 1y ago
  Yup. And these cameras supported by thingino are also available on Amazon for under $30, too, some as low as $20 or below!
cnst 1y ago
> https://thingino.com/ https://thingino.com/ > https://github.com/themactep/thingino-firmware https://github.com/themactep/thingino-firmware Nice, it actually supports several popular Amazon US "no-name" brands, including Imou and Wansview! (Plus, several mainstream Eufy, TP-Link and Wyze cameras are supported by thingino as well.) Seems to be more user-friendly than OpenIPC, too.
- wltechblog 1y ago
  I'm generally the guy making "easy installers" for Thingino cams. The default way to install on a cam is to use a flash programmer, some devices you can use a uart adapter.. I try to find opportunities in the factory firmware that allow you to flash using just a SD card when possible, and publish walkthrough videos on my channel. Some other devices you can flash with a flash glitch trick at boot, which I have several devices documented for that method as well. I'm a huge proponent of privacy and security being available to everyone and not just the technically minded user, and being able to get a commodity priced camera to faithfully serve a non-technical user is my goal! More info is at my installers repo https://github.com/wltechblog/thingino-installers https://github.com/wltechblog/thingino-installers or my YT channel (WLTechBlog)
  - cnst 1y ago
    Thanks for doing that! And welcome to HN! Do you know if Wansview Q5 can be installed easily or not? I think it's one of the only cams on the thingino list that's available in the US with super-fast Amazon FBA shipping for under $20 USD and with lots of stock.
    - wltechblog 1y ago
      The Q5 is on our supported list. I have a user who YOLOd and tried the Cinnado D1 (t23) installer and claimed success. Cinnado and Wasnview (and galayou and a few others!) are owned by the same company so a lot of things are shared.
      - 1y ago
ZigFisher 1y ago
Sorry, you are slightly mistaken and mislead the colleagues present here. The OpenIPC project is completely open wherever possible, but it allows the use of various streamers Divinus/Majestic/Mini/Venc/other and various binary drivers and libraries if the chip manufacturer does not provide open source code. The Divinus streamer is a great alternative to Majestic and it is open and also part of the OpenIPC ecosystem - https://github.com/openipc/divinus https://github.com/openipc/divinus

stragies 1y ago

This project only seems to support Ingenic SOCs (as per https://github.com/themactep/thingino-firmware https://github.com/themactep/thingino-firmware). A far cry from the list supported by openipcam. Edit: But they have a list of product names, where they support installation of Thingino: https://github.com/themactep/thingino-firmware/blob/master/docs/supported_hardware.md https://github.com/themactep/thingino-firmware/blob/master/d...

cnst 1y ago
> https://github.com/themactep/thingino-firmware/blob/master/docs/supported_hardware.md https://github.com/themactep/thingino-firmware/blob/master/d... Good list. Happy to see Imou and Wansview on the list, these "unknown" brands have been selling directly on Amazon US for a while now: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Wansview/page/1E1F86AB-C01A-4575-8EE7-86A7CD7D18B3 https://www.amazon.com/stores/Wansview/page/1E1F86AB-C01A-45... https://www.amazon.com/stores/Imou/page/73EC8A3D-1E78-42C5-8DF9-A91CF2D4A88E https://www.amazon.com/stores/Imou/page/73EC8A3D-1E78-42C5-8...
wltechblog 1y ago
The ING in Thingino stands for Ingenic. The Ingenic chips are MIPS, all the other cams are ARM. Focusing on these chips allows us to produce a firmware that actually works (not my experience with openipc) and is already configured for a specific product so you don't have to spend hours figuring out specifics for your camera to enable the hardware features!
- stragies 1y ago
  Thank you for your work! Can you recommend a compatible LAN POE camera available on Amazon(.de?)
  - wltechblog 1y ago
    POE hasn't really made it to the commodity level you'll find on Amazon. There are some Vanhua models available on Aliexpress.. we also have some users successfully using various POE to USB adapters. I don't use one myself so i can't personally vouch for one... note that not all cams have data available on their USB ports, if you have questions about a specific choice, come visit us on Discord!

asveikau 1y ago

I guess encoder app is separate from encoder proper, because I have to assume the bulk of the encoder is done in hardware. I mean, those things can do realtime h265 in 4k without a beefy CPU or getting hot.

wltechblog 1y ago
Most of the image/video related stuff is done in the hardware, as well as a bunch of other functionality that would be hard to do on a 1 watt cpu. Check out the block diagram of the T31 processor: https://en.ingenic.com.cn/products-detail/id-21.html https://en.ingenic.com.cn/products-detail/id-21.html Our streamer (prudynt-t) communicates with those blocks to handle settings, overlays, etc and receives the pre-processed image/video/audio data, packages it up for rtsp//mjpeg/etc, and handles client connections, motion sending, day/night vision, etc. This is the status quo for ip cameras regardless of vendor!
- cnst 1y ago
  How much memory do these cams have? What's the beefiest camera that's still a good value, e.g., cheap? Any support 5GHz yet?
  - wltechblog 1y ago
    These processors range between 32 and 128 megabytes of ram, and a chunk of that is reserved at bootup for the hardware feature blocks. We have a couple devices that support 5ghz, but I don't think any of them are on my favorites list. I picked up a Wansview G6 which is a light bulb format cam, my least favorite, but it was our first dual band device. More to follow!
    - cnst 1y ago
      That seems very little RAM, do they even support ssh? Is there a comparison table which devices have how much RAM etc? BTW, do you know if Amcrest ASH21 are supported? They look identical to Imou Ranger 2 from the front, although Amcrest does have an RJ45 in the back, whereas Ranger 2 possible doesn't?

crazysim 1y ago

https://thingino.com/ https://thingino.com/ I love how the front page doesn't scream SOCs/SOMs to you and is just straight up here's the compatible cameras with pictures (with some SOM info below).

cnst 1y ago
Yup. And these cameras supported by thingino are also available on Amazon for under $30, too, some as low as $20 or below!

cnst 1y ago

> https://thingino.com/ https://thingino.com/ > https://github.com/themactep/thingino-firmware https://github.com/themactep/thingino-firmware Nice, it actually supports several popular Amazon US "no-name" brands, including Imou and Wansview! (Plus, several mainstream Eufy, TP-Link and Wyze cameras are supported by thingino as well.) Seems to be more user-friendly than OpenIPC, too.

wltechblog 1y ago
I'm generally the guy making "easy installers" for Thingino cams. The default way to install on a cam is to use a flash programmer, some devices you can use a uart adapter.. I try to find opportunities in the factory firmware that allow you to flash using just a SD card when possible, and publish walkthrough videos on my channel. Some other devices you can flash with a flash glitch trick at boot, which I have several devices documented for that method as well. I'm a huge proponent of privacy and security being available to everyone and not just the technically minded user, and being able to get a commodity priced camera to faithfully serve a non-technical user is my goal! More info is at my installers repo https://github.com/wltechblog/thingino-installers https://github.com/wltechblog/thingino-installers or my YT channel (WLTechBlog)
- cnst 1y ago
  Thanks for doing that! And welcome to HN! Do you know if Wansview Q5 can be installed easily or not? I think it's one of the only cams on the thingino list that's available in the US with super-fast Amazon FBA shipping for under $20 USD and with lots of stock.
  - wltechblog 1y ago
    The Q5 is on our supported list. I have a user who YOLOd and tried the Cinnado D1 (t23) installer and claimed success. Cinnado and Wasnview (and galayou and a few others!) are owned by the same company so a lot of things are shared.
    - 1y ago

ZigFisher 1y ago

Sorry, you are slightly mistaken and mislead the colleagues present here. The OpenIPC project is completely open wherever possible, but it allows the use of various streamers Divinus/Majestic/Mini/Venc/other and various binary drivers and libraries if the chip manufacturer does not provide open source code. The Divinus streamer is a great alternative to Majestic and it is open and also part of the OpenIPC ecosystem - https://github.com/openipc/divinus https://github.com/openipc/divinus