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Please give me an example of what happens. Edit: before someone throws very strong platitudes at me again, I would like to see real-world examples. Because at

Please give me an example of what happens. Edit: before someone throws very strong platitudes at me again, I would like to see real-world examples. Because at least in my lifetime there have been zero consequences for people in power. Edit 2: I've been banned from replying to this thread (lol, talk about power of the state). I guess I didn't define my acceptance criteria properly. But I thought it would be clear that the goal should be uplifting everyone not just shift the money around to someone else. That is what most of the revolutions mentioned in the replies are.

throwawayoldie 1y ago
Some very close haircuts.
- newswasboring 1y ago
  When was the last instance of this in the last 100 years?
  - mosburger 1y ago
    Nicolae Ceaușescu comes to mind? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceau%C8%99escu#Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceau%C8%99escu#Death EDIT: One could argue whether the United Healthcare CEO assassination meets the criteria, too.
  - throwawayoldie 1y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopia#Derg_era_(1974%E2%80%931991) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopia#Derg_era_(1974%E2%80%... comes to mind. So, even if you weren't factually incorrect as well as smug, what's your actual point?
  - ModernMech 1y ago
    They're the ones trying to bring back feudalism. If they want feudalism, things are going to get... well feudal. The lesson I've learned in the past decade is that people have not changed, at all. People will act as medieval as their circumstances allow.
shermantanktop 1y ago
When it goes on just a little too long, it can result in the French Revolution and 1917 and the election of populist candidates with unexpected consequences. So sure, not a given, but it’s a risk that goes up as conditions get worse.
- newswasboring 1y ago
  French revolution I can still see as consequences but Bolsheviks just took land and gave it to the new nobelity (the state).
  - kergonath 1y ago
    The goalposts somewhat shifted, here. The original point was > It surprises me that the monied elite seem to have so little awareness of what happens when they keep winning. What happened is that the Russian elite ended up dead or penniless in exile. What happened after that is not really relevant to the lot of the blind elite of the ancien régime.
  - dragontamer 1y ago
    The period after the initial French Revolutions includes a period with an Emperor Napoleon and also a period where King Charles is restored to power. It's like a century of struggle before that whole situation resolved.
  - achierius 1y ago
    > just took land and gave it to the new nobelity (the state). This is unsubstantiated by historical evidence. No new class of "hereditary bureaucrats" emerged to replace the nobility; there was remarkably high movement between workers and officials, and even up to the very end of the Soviet Union, high officials were former day workers who had worked their way up the ranks.
kergonath 1y ago
> Please give me an example of what happens. It’s easy to forget after 80 years of stable western democracies, but brutal equilibrium shifts do happen. There was a revolution every ~20 years in Europe between 1789 and 1917. And even during the 20th century, the history of much of the world is full of coups, revolts, and uprisings. See all the revolutions in ex-soviet republics, the Arab spring, etc. So you can pick and choose between the American independence, the French Revolution, the revolutions of 1848, the Commune, and the soviets, to give you just a couple of examples for which you can find some documentation easily.
- geraldwhen 1y ago
  Modern police and military gear is so advanced that revolution is unrealistic.
  - ElFitz 1y ago
    Maybe. But a modern revolution also doesn’t need physical violence. People in power only have power in so far as others believe and enforce it. The emperor has no clothes.
  - kergonath 1y ago
    It does not help when part of the military sides with the revolution. Which happened to some extent in just about all of them. It’s never just normal people against the army. Soldiers also have families suffering just like the others. They also see what happens to them when they leave the military and become part of the underclass again. There is a spectrum between not following orders efficiently to just ignoring orders and then open mutiny.
  - johnnyanmac 1y ago
    If they want to try their hand and unleash the first American genocide in history, that may be the cost for people to wake up. too many cameras and live uploading about to bury hundreds, maybe thousands of citizens being shot down in cold blood.
    - 1y ago
ben_w 1y ago
> I would like to see real-world examples. Because at least in my lifetime there have been zero consequences for people in power. Liberia (1980 coup & 1989–2003 wars): Americo-Liberian elite overthrown by indigenous-led coups; cyclical elite purges, executions, and exiles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Liberian_coup_d%27état https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Liberian_coup_d%27état Argentine Military Junta (1983): generals faced prosecution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_the_Juntas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_the_Juntas Philippines – Marcos Family (1986): Ousted by "People Power"; Ferdinand Marcos fled, family assets frozen, political exile: https://www.upi.com/Archives/1986/06/17/Judge-orders-Marcos-assets-frozen/9517519364800/ https://www.upi.com/Archives/1986/06/17/Judge-orders-Marcos-... Romania – Ceaușescu Regime (1989): Ceaușescu and wife executed after rapid regime collapse; party elite purged: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_execution_of_Nicolae_and_Elena_Ceaușescu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_execution_of_Nicolae... Rwanda (1994): Hutu elite responsible for genocide overthrown by Tutsi-led RPF, the attempt to seek justice overwhelmed their legal system so hard that it was itself criticised by Amnesty International: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide#Aftermath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide#Aftermath; internationally, there were also trials and convictions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Tribunal_for_Rwanda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Tribuna... Iraq (2003)/Libya (2011): External forces happened, Saddam Hussein got hanged, Muammar Gaddafi's death was the kind of thing people make laws to stop soldiers from doing. And this year, that health insurance CEO who got assassinated, didn't they get their own legal strategy carved onto the bullets or something like that?

throwawayoldie 1y ago

Some very close haircuts.

newswasboring 1y ago
When was the last instance of this in the last 100 years?
- mosburger 1y ago
  Nicolae Ceaușescu comes to mind? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceau%C8%99escu#Death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceau%C8%99escu#Death EDIT: One could argue whether the United Healthcare CEO assassination meets the criteria, too.
- throwawayoldie 1y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopia#Derg_era_(1974%E2%80%931991) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopia#Derg_era_(1974%E2%80%... comes to mind. So, even if you weren't factually incorrect as well as smug, what's your actual point?
- ModernMech 1y ago
  They're the ones trying to bring back feudalism. If they want feudalism, things are going to get... well feudal. The lesson I've learned in the past decade is that people have not changed, at all. People will act as medieval as their circumstances allow.

shermantanktop 1y ago

When it goes on just a little too long, it can result in the French Revolution and 1917 and the election of populist candidates with unexpected consequences. So sure, not a given, but it’s a risk that goes up as conditions get worse.

newswasboring 1y ago
French revolution I can still see as consequences but Bolsheviks just took land and gave it to the new nobelity (the state).
- kergonath 1y ago
  The goalposts somewhat shifted, here. The original point was > It surprises me that the monied elite seem to have so little awareness of what happens when they keep winning. What happened is that the Russian elite ended up dead or penniless in exile. What happened after that is not really relevant to the lot of the blind elite of the ancien régime.
- dragontamer 1y ago
  The period after the initial French Revolutions includes a period with an Emperor Napoleon and also a period where King Charles is restored to power. It's like a century of struggle before that whole situation resolved.
- achierius 1y ago
  > just took land and gave it to the new nobelity (the state). This is unsubstantiated by historical evidence. No new class of "hereditary bureaucrats" emerged to replace the nobility; there was remarkably high movement between workers and officials, and even up to the very end of the Soviet Union, high officials were former day workers who had worked their way up the ranks.

kergonath 1y ago

> Please give me an example of what happens. It’s easy to forget after 80 years of stable western democracies, but brutal equilibrium shifts do happen. There was a revolution every ~20 years in Europe between 1789 and 1917. And even during the 20th century, the history of much of the world is full of coups, revolts, and uprisings. See all the revolutions in ex-soviet republics, the Arab spring, etc. So you can pick and choose between the American independence, the French Revolution, the revolutions of 1848, the Commune, and the soviets, to give you just a couple of examples for which you can find some documentation easily.

geraldwhen 1y ago
Modern police and military gear is so advanced that revolution is unrealistic.
- ElFitz 1y ago
  Maybe. But a modern revolution also doesn’t need physical violence. People in power only have power in so far as others believe and enforce it. The emperor has no clothes.
- kergonath 1y ago
  It does not help when part of the military sides with the revolution. Which happened to some extent in just about all of them. It’s never just normal people against the army. Soldiers also have families suffering just like the others. They also see what happens to them when they leave the military and become part of the underclass again. There is a spectrum between not following orders efficiently to just ignoring orders and then open mutiny.
- johnnyanmac 1y ago
  If they want to try their hand and unleash the first American genocide in history, that may be the cost for people to wake up. too many cameras and live uploading about to bury hundreds, maybe thousands of citizens being shot down in cold blood.
  - 1y ago

ben_w 1y ago

> I would like to see real-world examples. Because at least in my lifetime there have been zero consequences for people in power. Liberia (1980 coup & 1989–2003 wars): Americo-Liberian elite overthrown by indigenous-led coups; cyclical elite purges, executions, and exiles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Liberian_coup_d%27état https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Liberian_coup_d%27état Argentine Military Junta (1983): generals faced prosecution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_the_Juntas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_the_Juntas Philippines – Marcos Family (1986): Ousted by "People Power"; Ferdinand Marcos fled, family assets frozen, political exile: https://www.upi.com/Archives/1986/06/17/Judge-orders-Marcos-assets-frozen/9517519364800/ https://www.upi.com/Archives/1986/06/17/Judge-orders-Marcos-... Romania – Ceaușescu Regime (1989): Ceaușescu and wife executed after rapid regime collapse; party elite purged: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_execution_of_Nicolae_and_Elena_Ceaușescu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_execution_of_Nicolae... Rwanda (1994): Hutu elite responsible for genocide overthrown by Tutsi-led RPF, the attempt to seek justice overwhelmed their legal system so hard that it was itself criticised by Amnesty International: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide#Aftermath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide#Aftermath; internationally, there were also trials and convictions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Tribunal_for_Rwanda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Tribuna... Iraq (2003)/Libya (2011): External forces happened, Saddam Hussein got hanged, Muammar Gaddafi's death was the kind of thing people make laws to stop soldiers from doing. And this year, that health insurance CEO who got assassinated, didn't they get their own legal strategy carved onto the bullets or something like that?