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> I wonder if this is the uncomfortable truth behind low birth rates in the modern world Well, you could ask people in age why they don't get in couple and hav
by pyrale 1y ago
> I wonder if this is the uncomfortable truth behind low birth rates in the modern world
Well, you could ask people in age why they don't get in couple and have children, you could look at studies trying to understand why otherwise comparable countries have different birth rates.
Or you could wonder if the uncomfortable truth hidden from us is a fable about individuals' personal character.
- CalRobert 1y agoYou could, but asking people what they want instead of looking at what they actually do is pretty unreliable.
- pjc50 1y ago[flagged]
- kergonath 1y agoNot "Almost everyone involved in the modern birth rate discussion" is a pro-natalist, come on.
- decimalenough 1y agoThis is a very US culture war take. Places like Japan and the Scandinavian countries also worry about low birth rates, but (eg) criminalizing abortion is simply not on the table.
- watwut 1y agoEven outside of abortion, a lot of discussion is about wanting women back in the kitchen, dependent on partner. Simultaneously being forced to marry to have resources and simultaneously being unable to leave it things dont work well
- tossandthrow 1y agoAgain, American. In Scandinavia women are a part of the draft and parental leave is being equalized such that men can leave the workforce as long as women to take care of kids. There is no pressure for women to get kids at all (besides what their mother might say).
- eadmund 1y ago[flagged]
- watwut 1y agoIt is not homicide and never was. The homicide point is just an excuse.People who want to criminalise abortion do not care about lives after being born in the slightest. It is about punishing women for sex about wanting them to suffer if they have risky pregnancy. We need to stop pretending conservatives have honest motivations.
- CalRobert 1y agoI’m pro choice but when I was at a catholic high school my peers and the adults seemed genuinely convinced that abortion was literally killing a human - akin to infanticide. I think many of them indeed opposed abortion based on this. It’s part of why the debate was intractable - it even brings in the hard problem of consciousness, and we don’t have an answer to that.
- lotsofpulp 1y ago> Now that it’s become impossible to pretend that a fœtus is anything other than a separate human If it was, then it could live on its own…without a literal cord attached to another human, within another human. Attached, meaning not separate. And, within, meaning not separate.
- AnimalMuppet 1y agoI believe the point is "separate, as in not the same as the mother". It's not the mother - it has different DNA. This is the problem with the whole "a woman's right to do what she wants with her own body" response: It's not her body. Or at least, it's not all her body. Part of it is a different individual. And so her right to do what she wants with her own body is inextricably intertwined with another individual that she does not have that same right over. But, in the sense that you took it: We currently can save children born prematurely at 22 weeks. Normally such a child would live within and attached to the mother for another 18 weeks, but if we need to, such a child can live outside but attached to a bunch of machines. So, at least separable, even if not usually separate.
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