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I hope critics will be equally critical of the companies that weren't donating to any DEI-related orgs in the first place.

djohnston 1y ago
Most people aren’t critical of either and don’t care about DEI initiatives.
trhway 1y ago
The companies which followed their principles even when it was against the prevailing ideology du jour? (Being originally from USSR I hate ideologies and those 180 turns people do on a dime the moment the ideology changes)
perching_aix 1y ago
Why? Wouldn't it make more sense to blame these organizations "now-demonstrated to have been performative", as DEI's critics have been (performatively?) accusing them to be for so long? Or would that count as performative too? Getting lost in the narratives at this point.
- dyauspitr 1y ago
  Disadvantaged folks getting jobs is not performative.
  - perching_aix 1y ago
    Well yeah. Sure didn't stop from people claiming otherwise though, or at least ignoring it / focusing on the performance and narrative aspect instead.
- michaelt 1y ago
  IDK what 'performative' means. But according to my calculations, if I donated $50,000 to a charity last year and $0 this year, I've still donated $50,000 to the charity. Whereas someone who donated $0 last year and $0 this year has donated $0. It'd be pretty weird if the former got worse press than the latter.
  - perching_aix 1y ago
    I was being sarcastic. For a lot of people the narrative is more important; I'd even argue it's what people normally default to, including me. What I meant to convey then was that at this point I find all those narrative driven perspectives beyond tiresome, and yet I fully expect them to barrel on regardless, unlike what you're hoping for. Your napkin math is one demonstration why a focus on narrative can prove misguided. It can matter very little how genuine their intents were if in practice they materially helped a significant amount.
weldboss 1y ago
DEI policies are dumb as fuck. Get rid of that shit and let people figure things out for themselves.

djohnston 1y ago

Most people aren’t critical of either and don’t care about DEI initiatives.

trhway 1y ago

The companies which followed their principles even when it was against the prevailing ideology du jour? (Being originally from USSR I hate ideologies and those 180 turns people do on a dime the moment the ideology changes)

perching_aix 1y ago

Why? Wouldn't it make more sense to blame these organizations "now-demonstrated to have been performative", as DEI's critics have been (performatively?) accusing them to be for so long? Or would that count as performative too? Getting lost in the narratives at this point.

dyauspitr 1y ago
Disadvantaged folks getting jobs is not performative.
- perching_aix 1y ago
  Well yeah. Sure didn't stop from people claiming otherwise though, or at least ignoring it / focusing on the performance and narrative aspect instead.
michaelt 1y ago
IDK what 'performative' means. But according to my calculations, if I donated $50,000 to a charity last year and $0 this year, I've still donated $50,000 to the charity. Whereas someone who donated $0 last year and $0 this year has donated $0. It'd be pretty weird if the former got worse press than the latter.
- perching_aix 1y ago
  I was being sarcastic. For a lot of people the narrative is more important; I'd even argue it's what people normally default to, including me. What I meant to convey then was that at this point I find all those narrative driven perspectives beyond tiresome, and yet I fully expect them to barrel on regardless, unlike what you're hoping for. Your napkin math is one demonstration why a focus on narrative can prove misguided. It can matter very little how genuine their intents were if in practice they materially helped a significant amount.

weldboss 1y ago

DEI policies are dumb as fuck. Get rid of that shit and let people figure things out for themselves.