3 ms·

There are serious people studying UFOs. There are also a lot of people flying around a lot of weird drones. Reports of triangular objects going really fast may

There are serious people studying UFOs. There are also a lot of people flying around a lot of weird drones. Reports of triangular objects going really fast may be one of these.[1] It's even possible to hover one of those, standing on its tail, with the proper control system. There are some people pushing an open source UFO detection system, which is basically a dome surveillance camera pointed upward, connected to tracking software.[2] They have lots of videos. Airplanes, helicopters, hawks, even the International Space Station. 117 sites worldwide, supposedly. No major discoveries yet. Not well coordinated, though. They need to get the same target from two or three viewpoints. That gets you range, and resolves most reflection-type illusions. So you need a few in each city-sized area. Data reduction should be coordinated with ADS-B data, to ident aircraft. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVNIWuLs_7E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVNIWuLs_7E [2] https://ufodap.com/ https://ufodap.com/

XorNot 1y ago
That's actually really cool though, and is the sort of creativity that you'd like to see some out of these things more often because it has genuinely useful applications.
UltraSane 1y ago
There are billions of HD video recording devices in the world today. If UFOs were actually real we would have have a lot of footage of them like we have for everything else that's actually real.
- Animats 1y ago
  XKCD for that.[1] [1] https://xkcd.com/1235/ https://xkcd.com/1235/
  - itsanaccount 1y ago
    https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1mjuunh/strange_object_captured_over_malvern_hills/ https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1mjuunh/strange_objec... and in 2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHpxjuX-rDM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHpxjuX-rDM and in 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOBQGn7GzLg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOBQGn7GzLg tip of the iceberg. of course 95% of these are balloons, rolling shutter cameras, insects close to the lens, etc etc. like this is probably a balloon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNlwvV7_6l4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNlwvV7_6l4 But out of that misreporting rate which has remained more or less the same since Project Blue Book, there bubble up some decent evidence of worldwide, fast moving, sometimes glowing orbs. And the folks with infrared and radar sensors are more convinced of it than those with access to random cameras. Since that comic was posted, bigfoot, ghosts and the like have fallen out of reporting by the general public. UFOs/UAPs have not.
- ceckGrad 1y ago
  >If UFOs were actually real we would have have a lot of footage of them like we have for everything else that's actually real. Who is the "we" with access to everyone's video recording footage? I don't have access to anyone's camera footage. If I ask a big organization with lots of cameras for unfettered access to their camera footage they will probably tell me to take a long walk off a short pier. If a large military organization has suspicious footage of unidentified objects, they probably don't share it to every outsider who asks for it. Now, some organizations claim to have UFO footage, but I have little reason to take their claims at face value. Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos > we would have have a lot of footage of them like we have for everything else that's actually real. I don't have a lot of footage of narco-submarines or drug cartel headquarters. Does that mean they don't exist? Does something stop being real when cameras stop being pointed at it?
  - UltraSane 1y ago
    People are extremely likely to upload footage they think is a real UFO. There isn't a shred of physical evidence for UFOS after so many decades.
    - ceckGrad 1y ago
      >People are extremely likely to upload footage they think is a real UFO. There isn't a shred of physical evidence for UFOS Is there some central repository of alleged UFO evidence that every single human with a camera is given access to as soon as they get the camera? No, I don't think that's what you meant. There is a huge amount of human-generated information, and it is ambiguous and practically impossible to process as a whole. No one person can audit all of the videos uploaded to Youtube, rumble, odysee, etc. If we want to argue about what footage has been uploaded, we have to be able to specify what body of footage we are familiar with. I don't know your background -- people in various walks of life have very different ways of talking about evidence. In my experience of non-paranormal claims, scholars cite scholarly sources, so when I see people saying, "There is no evidence" without immediately adding a bunch of book titles and journal articles, I suspect they are commenting outside their field of expertise. Instead of just saying "there is no evidence," which is overly broad, you could argue, "I, <insert name here>, have confidence in experts X, Y, and Z, plus committees P, Q, and R <insert websites here> and all their reports on the evidence have been negative."

XorNot 1y ago

That's actually really cool though, and is the sort of creativity that you'd like to see some out of these things more often because it has genuinely useful applications.

UltraSane 1y ago

There are billions of HD video recording devices in the world today. If UFOs were actually real we would have have a lot of footage of them like we have for everything else that's actually real.

Animats 1y ago
XKCD for that.[1] [1] https://xkcd.com/1235/ https://xkcd.com/1235/
- itsanaccount 1y ago
  https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1mjuunh/strange_object_captured_over_malvern_hills/ https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1mjuunh/strange_objec... and in 2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHpxjuX-rDM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHpxjuX-rDM and in 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOBQGn7GzLg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOBQGn7GzLg tip of the iceberg. of course 95% of these are balloons, rolling shutter cameras, insects close to the lens, etc etc. like this is probably a balloon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNlwvV7_6l4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNlwvV7_6l4 But out of that misreporting rate which has remained more or less the same since Project Blue Book, there bubble up some decent evidence of worldwide, fast moving, sometimes glowing orbs. And the folks with infrared and radar sensors are more convinced of it than those with access to random cameras. Since that comic was posted, bigfoot, ghosts and the like have fallen out of reporting by the general public. UFOs/UAPs have not.
ceckGrad 1y ago
>If UFOs were actually real we would have have a lot of footage of them like we have for everything else that's actually real. Who is the "we" with access to everyone's video recording footage? I don't have access to anyone's camera footage. If I ask a big organization with lots of cameras for unfettered access to their camera footage they will probably tell me to take a long walk off a short pier. If a large military organization has suspicious footage of unidentified objects, they probably don't share it to every outsider who asks for it. Now, some organizations claim to have UFO footage, but I have little reason to take their claims at face value. Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos > we would have have a lot of footage of them like we have for everything else that's actually real. I don't have a lot of footage of narco-submarines or drug cartel headquarters. Does that mean they don't exist? Does something stop being real when cameras stop being pointed at it?
- UltraSane 1y ago
  People are extremely likely to upload footage they think is a real UFO. There isn't a shred of physical evidence for UFOS after so many decades.
  - ceckGrad 1y ago
    >People are extremely likely to upload footage they think is a real UFO. There isn't a shred of physical evidence for UFOS Is there some central repository of alleged UFO evidence that every single human with a camera is given access to as soon as they get the camera? No, I don't think that's what you meant. There is a huge amount of human-generated information, and it is ambiguous and practically impossible to process as a whole. No one person can audit all of the videos uploaded to Youtube, rumble, odysee, etc. If we want to argue about what footage has been uploaded, we have to be able to specify what body of footage we are familiar with. I don't know your background -- people in various walks of life have very different ways of talking about evidence. In my experience of non-paranormal claims, scholars cite scholarly sources, so when I see people saying, "There is no evidence" without immediately adding a bunch of book titles and journal articles, I suspect they are commenting outside their field of expertise. Instead of just saying "there is no evidence," which is overly broad, you could argue, "I, <insert name here>, have confidence in experts X, Y, and Z, plus committees P, Q, and R <insert websites here> and all their reports on the evidence have been negative."